Warning: WH seeks to limit/deport immigrants using ACA and other gov. services

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Re: Warning: WH seeks to limit/deport immigrants using ACA and other gov. services

Post by Riggerjack » Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:18 am

There is a path to legal status. It requires returning to the country of origin and submitting the correct paperwork through the proper channels and waiting patiently.
I am no expert, but in looking, I could not find one.

If one has family here, there is a legal route to immigrate.

If one has specialized skills, there is a legal path to immigrate.

There are various ways to get here by visas.

But I could find no path for an ambitious, hard working poor person from another country to get a legal path to immigrate. Hell, I'm only qualified by birth and family, I am not qualified to immigrate.

This is an aberration from our history and culture. I believe, most opponents to "illegals" are as ignorant of the hurdles as I was. I believe, most such people, really don't understand how Ted Kennedy changed our immigration policy, for political purposes, and would be behind reform, if their real concerns were met.

I will post more in my journal, I don't want to further derail this thread.

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Post by Campitor » Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:51 am

Each month a visa bulletin is published. It details the requirements and qualifications required to get an immigrant visa as well as the numbers of visas that will be granted. They have September's visa bulletin published: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel ... -2018.html.

Why publish a monthly bulletin? Because circumstances in the US change therefore immigration requirements must change. There is no path for low skilled hard workers for several reasons. How do you determine a person is a hard worker? What possible metric could be used beyond previous employment history in the country of origin? If they had a job or a business this would place them within a specific category outlined in the monthly visa bulletin.

And if it wasn't for the flood of illegal immigrants who work low skilled jobs, there would probably be a visa bulletin that would allow for a controlled number of visa applicants who fall into the "will work hard" category.

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Post by Campitor » Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:58 am

And this is an interesting read regarding low skilled workers immigration policy and possible changes recommended by the Migration Policy Institute: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/researc ... gn-workers

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Re: Warning: WH seeks to limit/deport immigrants using ACA and other gov. services

Post by jacob » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:04 pm

Released and posted on DHS on a Saturday ...
Reuters wrote: The proposed regulation will be published in the Federal Register in the coming weeks, officials said, the first step toward final adoption. The public has 60 days to comment on the proposal, and the agency must consider all submitted comments and could change the regulation before the final version is adopted, likely in several months.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1M20YP
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/ ... ump-836456
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/22/us/p ... c-aid.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigr ... ho-n910791

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Post by prognastat » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:33 pm

Hmm, well I feel more personally secure after this news as it sounds like once you have either permanent resident status or citizenship it no longer affects you.

Still seems wrong to punish people that are actually following the rules though. I can understand if someone has consistently been a burden that this might affect your chances of immigrating as you don't want to allow people in that are primarily looking to take advantage of the resources unavailable in their country of origin, but if someone just happened to hit a rough patch and need some help this shouldn't be a factor.

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Re: Warning: WH seeks to limit/deport immigrants using ACA and other gov. services

Post by jacob » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:21 am

Slowly chipping away ...

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/09/22/dhs ... motes-self
DHS wrote: Importantly, by law, the public charge inadmissibility determination is a prospective determination based on the totality of the circumstances, which includes statutorily required factors such as age, health, family status, assets, resources, financial status, education and skills.

In making this determination, DHS is proposing to consider current and past receipt of designated public benefits above certain thresholds as a heavily weighed negative factor. The rule would also make nonimmigrants who receive or are likely to receive designated public benefits above the designated threshold generally ineligible for change of status and extension of stay.
For my part I feel less secure, because my status is now next in line(*) as the nativists keep going down the target list. "First they came for .." and all that. It's clear what the end goal is. They've said as much.

(*) Well, technically behind the next one in line because I've never received public assistance on their current list. But lists can change...

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Post by CS » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:46 am

@Jacob

The worst part is that they pick off people as they apply for citizenship, i.e. try to get all the way on board and they'll just toss you off the boat. Which leaves green card holders in a horrible limbo.

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Post by Bankai » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:56 pm

jacob wrote:For my part I feel less secure, because my status is now next in line(*) as the nativists keep going down the target list. "First they came for .." and all that. It's clear what the end goal is. They've said as much.
Not far from how many people feel due to Brexit. I realised I'll be fine no matter how this unfolds. After all, there is a big world outside of the island.

I guess there are at the very least plans A, B, C & D drawn in the ERE HQ. So, where is it going to be (if worse comes to worst or your exasperation reaches critical level)? Canada or Europe? Or...?

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Post by CS » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:18 pm

Canada is probably your most stable bet - but dang cold. And the Chinese have driven up the cost of real estate on the Canadian coasts to untenable levels for the natives... but it is still better than what is going on in the US. Europe seems like an option, but where? Fascism is rising everywhere, driven by immigration, which is driven by climate change (which isn't going *anywhere*).

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Post by slsdly » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:27 pm

Real estate is only expensive on the west coast and in southern Ontario. As for the cold, take up cross country skiing. It is a relatively cheap hobby, and you start to look forward to the snow.

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Post by jacob » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:48 am

@Bankai - There are literally that many plans drawn up here with those exact names :geek:

The biggest lesson learned here is in adjusting to the new level of political instability. Rules (liabilities) change so fast now that it's hard to decide on a specific country and make a long term commitment. That was my mistake with the US. So the solution is to diversify assets to match the volatility of the new liabilities. Right now I'm just working to get to a point where diversification is easier. I'm leaning towards flag theory(*) but first I need to get closer to a point where flag theory is possible. Plan A is still staying here but I want to get to a point where I don't get rattled/damaged when voters decide that blowing up the system is the best way to change it.

In terms of picking a country, the problem is not so much the cost of living but the head tax of a more permanent visa. Those start at six figures in even the cheapest/most welcome/desperate countries, so it's not really like you can just pick whatever you want. Not really keen on "settling" on revolving 90-day tourist visas for the rest of our lives.

We do have a bunch of favorites/options ... but thanks to rapidly moving politics, those priorities have actually changed over the past couple of years.

(*) Under the theory that whatever we chose, the rug may be pulled out under our feet.

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Post by Jean » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:37 am

Would the back to danemark option be possible?

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Post by jacob » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:07 am

Yes, but only as of last month (Aug 2018) when laws were changed again.
Previously expats had been effectively barred from moving back with their foreign spouses.

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Post by Jean » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:18 am

That seems to be harsh. Glad you have at least this option.
What about living on a boat, there is a lot of diversity of climate between Norway and the canary islands, you used to like sailing and you don't need to work. You can have a really nice winterproof boat for less than 100k.

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Post by Riggerjack » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:22 am

Plan A is still staying here but I want to get to a point where I don't get rattled/damaged when voters decide that blowing up the system is the best way to change it.
I have cut off my news since the last election, so take this with a shaker of salt.

I read a theory that the Trump administration seems to be trying to make sweeping changes, but puts no real effort into crossing the T's and dotting the I's, to both make the news, as everyone jumps, and to have their sweeping changes have no effect.

This gets the press to jump, it gets the left to jump, it pleases his base, and when it all gets struck down in the courts, his base blames the "deep state", rather than his administration's incompetence.

But my money is still on incompetence.

We have a system of checks and balances for this purpose. It's certainly not worth being in the cross hairs of such policy, and hoping that sanity will prevail, so everyone should react. But remember that even with one team controlling all three houses, sweeping changes are what our government is built to avoid.

It's frustrating when trying to make a change, but comforting when I dislike the change being made.

So where is the link to the public commentary on this entry in the Federal Register? I am still reading it.

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Post by Scott 2 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:28 am

I see moving to Canada thrown around as an option by those who are dissatisfied by American politics.

It's not that easy. If you don't have a job with a Canadian employer or run a business, you need to make a substantial investment in their economy. $100's of thousands. They publish an immigration wizard on their website.

They don't want just anyone.

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Post by Bankai » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:30 pm

@ Scott 2 - I admit I had no idea there's no free movement between Canada and US. I kinda blindly assumed a similar arrangement is in place as in EU, where you can move and live anywhere within 27 (soon) countries if you are a citizen of any of them.

But thinking about it, US seems to have quite a lot of so-called 'illegal immigrants' and Canada, considering it's lower population, might not be interested in this kind of agreement because of it.

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Post by 7Wannabe5 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:25 pm

A pair and a spare practice works well and analogously for many similar systems. That's why everybody wants to have a warm companionate relationship with Canada, a cool, discreet partnership with Switzerland, and the free option to "date" Brazil.

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Post by 7Wannabe5 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:53 pm

Seriously, this policy is seriously f8cked up. For instance, there is no way some recent immigrant mother is going to be able to figure out that free public first grade is really free and mandatory for her 6 year old , but free nursery school for her 4 year old in the same building might cross over the line. Over 20 % of the children in American schools are immigrants or children of immigrants. All the grouchy old white people are going to die off pretty soon and then what? Another mess left for my kids' generation to clean up.

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Re: Warning: WH seeks to limit/deport immigrants using ACA and other gov. services

Post by BRUTE » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:45 pm

7Wannabe5 wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:53 pm
All the grouchy old white people
yea fuck whites

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