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Re: How to make more money without much of any schooling?

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:02 pm
by OTCW
Join the armed forces for 8 years. Bank everything you can.

Re: How to make more money without much of any schooling?

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:14 pm
by FBeyer
Damn. OP shut down his own topic before we even got to discuss starting in Sales.
There are money to be made and a shit tonne of stuff to learn absolutely free on the net. If you can sell and you can keep an appointment, it seems like you will never be without a job.

Re: How to make more money without much of any schooling?

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:41 pm
by Johnny
Resurrecting this post.

I still completely lack an income above minimum wage (now nothing due to COVID), I'm working towards PR in Canada, and I just recently got married! Truly don't know how to raise my income without schooling.

Several months ago I wouldn't unveil what my hobbies were, though I will now: they're bodybuilding and 2D animation.

You'd be surprised but I'm highly into bodybuilding, so much so that I think I may compete in the near future. Then the 2D animation one is just an artistic passion of mine that I've always been mesmerized by and that I dabble in from time to time.

Anything you guys suggest doesn't have to be related to my hobbies. Ultimately, I just wish to make a better income (preferably $50k or more per year). If anyone could throw suggestions at me as to how I may be able to raise my income in Canada as a soon to be Permenant Resident, I'd be happy to listen to your advice.

Cheers. :)

Re: How to make more money without much of any schooling?

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:51 pm
by ertyu
how easy is it to get a personal trainer license? I would check that out. You likely have the knowledge needed already.

re: 2d animation - I am told there is a thriving market for furry and other fetish anime porn online. draw weird shit for people who will pay.

Re: How to make more money without much of any schooling?

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:11 pm
by Bankai
+1 to a personal trainer route - you should be able to make $50k+ once you've built a client base. Do PTs really need a license though? I'd not worry about one unless law requires it.

Re: How to make more money without much of any schooling?

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:31 pm
by Johnny
ertyu wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:51 pm
how easy is it to get a personal trainer license? I would check that out. You likely have the knowledge needed already.

re: 2d animation - I am told there is a thriving market for furry and other fetish anime porn online. draw weird shit for people who will pay.
I can easily get a personal trainers license. Pretty inexpensively too. Though would that be lucrative enough of a career in order to retire at any point in my life? The idea is that I like bodybuilding -- not necessarily training others. I'd definitely be willing to train others for an income, but what are my chances of making $50k a year or more through doing that?

Also the 2d animation porn route -- yes that's an option. But honestly not one I'm particularly comfortable with, and not one I'm sure my wife would ever share with any of our family that 'oh yeah he draws furries getting it on for a living'.

Bankai wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:11 pm
+1 to a personal trainer route - you should be able to make $50k+ once you've built a client base. Do PTs really need a license though? I'd not worry about one unless law requires it.
License isn't difficult to get. Just not entirely sure I could get enough clients to ever really make $50k or more.

Re: How to make more money without much of any schooling?

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:30 pm
by 2Birds1Stone
Not with that attitude/mindset.

ETA - NASM certified trainer, nutritionist (no longer practicing), and former competitive drug free bodybuilder here.

Re: How to make more money without much of any schooling?

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:44 pm
by MidsizeLebowski
Personal trainer here, I made 71k last year and 63 the year before, 56 the year prior. COVID situation has me looking at ~25-35k this year if things continue :lol: . It can be a lucrative business when approached as one, you'll end up making the choice of becoming a high income (100-250k+) small business owner w/ the requisite lock in vs loosely coupled sole-proprietor early on in the path if the right steps are taken.

If you're looking to build clientele networking with chiropractors, physical therapists, massage therapists, nutritionists worked well for me. Others have had success w/ traditional marketing approaches we've all seen ( 40 day weight loss challenges, etc.).

2B1S is correct.

Re: How to make more money without much of any schooling?

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:29 am
by Johnny
2Birds1Stone wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:30 pm
Not with that attitude/mindset.

ETA - NASM certified trainer, nutritionist (no longer practicing), and former competitive drug free bodybuilder here.
Perhaps it is my mindset, though I also don't wish to be unrealistic. Statistically speaking, most personal trainers quit. Most have to work a separate part-time job and/or they can't make above minimum wage or get all that many hours. I would certainly like to make big bucks working hard as a trainer, and maybe it's just my mindset defeating me, but I'm just trying to be realistic.
MidsizeLebowski wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:44 pm
Personal trainer here, I made 71k last year and 63 the year before, 56 the year prior. COVID situation has me looking at ~25-35k this year if things continue :lol: . It can be a lucrative business when approached as one, you'll end up making the choice of becoming a high income (100-250k+) small business owner w/ the requisite lock in vs loosely coupled sole-proprietor early on in the path if the right steps are taken.

If you're looking to build clientele networking with chiropractors, physical therapists, massage therapists, nutritionists worked well for me. Others have had success w/ traditional marketing approaches we've all seen ( 40 day weight loss challenges, etc.).

2B1S is correct.
You two are inspiring. I'd like to give it a shot. I'm just fearful I won't even get 40 hours a week and I'll barely make it along. Time is ticking in my life. I'm married now, we still have a roommate, I don't even own a vehicle (which I'm not too unhappy about, but she certainly seems like she'd like one for us for more convenient transport). I just want a sure-fire way to do better. Personal training seems like a large risk of failure; I won't know until I try I just don't want to invest a bundle of effort to only be disappointed with minimum wage or less when I'm really trying to get my shit together for myself and my wife.

Re: How to make more money without much of any schooling?

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:12 am
by BMF1102
Hey Johnny have you thought about joining a trade? I'd suggest going the union route if you do. Would probably need a vehicle though. The pay is decent to start but after a couple years you could easily be making your 50k target. Good luck!

Re: How to make more money without much of any schooling?

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:11 am
by plantingourpennies
FBeyer wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:14 pm
Damn. OP shut down his own topic before we even got to discuss starting in Sales.
There are money to be made and a shit tonne of stuff to learn absolutely free on the net. If you can sell and you can keep an appointment, it seems like you will never be without a job.
@johnny, you sound like me at 22. Sales is how I became wealthy, and I could go on about it all day.

Why Sales?
Income level comparable to or exceeding CS
Does not require a degree, only brains and hustle, the latter being more important
Skills you learn in sales will be necessary to make money from your passion


How?
Start with a sales role that has a low barrier to entry (cell phone kiosk, used car lot, phone based appointment setter)-learn as much as you can and try not to lose your sense of right and wrong. As soon as possible get into a white-collar environment like software sales. The pay will be higher, you'll have to lie far less often, and work will be more interesting. Depending on the office many of your colleagues will be new college graduates who don't understand what work looks like-you'll have an advantage here. If you're successful in software sales the world is your oyster-you can continue along the sales trajectory or move sideways into a cushier role inside a megacorp. Do that for 8-10 years and you're FI.

Your wandering work history show a lack of focus, but your bodybuilding means that you have the ability to do difficult things to achieve your goals. Sales has a particular ability to focus the mind on one thing-hitting your number, and the rest just falls away.