Forums' new theme

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Re: Forums' new theme

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I always have a hard time at first with these changes, but I am sure I'll get used to it. More important is that the software is maintained correctly, so thanks Bigato!

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Thanks for always working on the forum and keeping things up-to-date! This community is built to last ;)

Two short questions:
1) Did the chat room also disappear?
2) Is it possible for forum posts to be deleted? I thought I had posted in this thread last night. Maybe my post wasn't sent though, I did not double check.

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Thanks everybody.
The chat room didn't disappear. It was in fact an web interface to irc. You still can use any irc client to connect there, on irc.freenode.net, at the channel #ere. Or, you can go to https://webchat.freenode.net/ type your nick and in the "channels" field you fill #ere.
That said, the chat room was never a success, so I don't know how much people will miss it. I am still thinking if I will take the time to make changes like this one to the default system. If I decide to do it, I may restore the chat room.

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For anyone viewing the forums on their phone ...

I don't see anyway to click on a thread and pull up the latest post. Am I missing it?

or

Is there a way to have the latest post at the top when I click on the thread? (on the phone only)

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I'm with "most." On the whole I don't like it. The scrolling post icons are distracting to me. I mean, I can already see that a post is generating traffic if it's (a) on the recent posts list, and (b) multiple pages long. Does it need to blink on top of that? The whole thing looks too... busy.

On a positive note, the forums look much better on my phone now. The other layout wasn't really mobile-friendly.

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Jenny, since I am a happy smarphone-less person now, I wouldn't know how to answer your question :)
Hopefully someone else can help in this case.

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I would also like to explain that changing to this new theme wasn't a choice. We had to do it to be able to update the software. Not updating the software was not an viable option. Keeping the default theme is also less work overall, but it is not impossible to change in the future once more compatible themes become available. But you guys will have a hard time convincing me to work for cosmetic improvements :)

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Eeek! It's blue!

Found everything I need, so it's working for me other than the theme.

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Bigato, Thanks for the work on keeping all this good stuff safe. Not a developer but looking at the PhP board here https://www.phpbb.com/about/?sid=fcfa52 ... dcfa%20%20 it looks like tabs along the top are possible and in some of the showcase examples there are interesting themes and zones. So blog and wiki link could return to prominent position in time?

Its good that we have a smooth migration. My PM archive is safe, my login worked fine. I am not locked out (its happened on other boards before when this sort of thing happened). THANK YOU.

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bigato wrote:I would also like to explain that changing to this new theme wasn't a choice. We had to do it to be able to update the software. Not updating the software was not an viable option. Keeping the default theme is also less work overall, but it is not impossible to change in the future once more compatible themes become available. But you guys will have a hard time convincing me to work for cosmetic improvements :)
Got it. Thanks for your work. I'm sure I'll get used to it. Guess I'm just getting persnickety in my old age. :D

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The active topics page doesn't recognise that I'm logged in (and consequently doesn't show which threads have unread posts). The session remains active though, because when I visit a thread, I am again logged in and can post. It worked fine yesterday.
EDIT: After posting this, the problem seems to have disappeared..

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saving-10-years, the link with the tabs that you mentioned is not part of the forum. Regarding themes, there aren't many that are compatible with the 3.1.x line yet. I would say almost none, at least not free. But off course all of the suggestions are possible, but the question is not this. I am evaluating costs vs benefits, and including in this calculation the fact that I do not have a lot of free time currently. Some of the changes won't take too long, but will make it more likely that future migrations will be harder. This migration took me about 4 hours of testing and the forum had only about 6 minutes of downtime. The way things are now, next version change is likely to be automatic and take even less time. If my opinion is of any value, I would prefer to keep things simple, good enough, easy and smooth instead of beatiful, complete, complicated and time-consuming. Some of you guys who suffered through the problems this forum had in the beggining of 2013 will agree with me.

henrik, I also noticed that there are some kind of problems of pages not updating so quickly in these situations, and also sometimes when dealing with private messages. For example, sometimes I delete a private message but it still shows. If I just get back later it will be actually deleted. I believe it could be some kind of cache that were implemented to optimize performance under load, but I am not sure. Anyway, it is a very minor problem and it will take some time to dig into this. I don't intend to put time into solving this now, unless it provokes some bigger problem. The forum software we are using is the most widely deployed in the world, also used by the board with the biggest number of posts/day (a million a day). It is more likely that developers are already looking into this, or maybe have even solved this already in the development version. I will at least wait for the next release before I put time on this bug. But thank you for reporting.

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Post by Gilberto de Piento »

I like the update, thanks for making it happen.

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Post by Felix »

I miss the A-team font. :-(

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I've also noticed that the forum doesn't seem to respond immediately when deleting and updating posts. Definitely a cache issue as it auto-resolves within a couple of minutes. It's kinda confusing though---did I just lose a change?---but I have faith in the software ;-P

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it also seems that i cannot login and then post to stories that rotate thru on the ERE homepage. sometimes i see ones i havent commented on yet and would like to, but since the login to the forum doesnt seem to be tied into the homepage anymore i have to post as a guest.

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The forum login was never tied into blog and you don't need to login to comment on the blog. It must have something to do with your browser not autofilling the name/url/email fields.

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Re: Forums' new theme

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jacob wrote:I've also noticed that the forum doesn't seem to respond immediately when deleting and updating posts. Definitely a cache issue as it auto-resolves within a couple of minutes. It's kinda confusing though---did I just lose a change?---but I have faith in the software ;-P
I do not :) Problem is, as far as my previous research could reach, phpbb was still the forum software that I disliked the less. I will browse a bit more later today to see if anything changed since June 2013. I keep seeing the day that I will have to write my own forum system, with less features and focusing on simplicity, stability, security and reliability. I hope this one keeps being good enough for at least a couple of years more.

Anyway, there's another minor version update available. Although they tested the 3.1 version for an year, it seems that the testing wasn't enough (or the features are too much). Because of that, short after releasing the 3.1 version there was an update to 3.1.1 and now we need to update to 3.1.2. I can do this tonight, and it should not take more than 10 minutes. After the update, if the problem with the cache persists, I will investigate if could be something on our side that is interacting with the 3.1.x line.

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Cloudflare?

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Re: Forums' new theme

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Several people have asked about the need to refresh on the phpBB forum and haven't received a response yet. I wouldn't assume that a fix is coming in the upgrade. I think they would have mentioned it.

Apparently, it's worse in Chrome. You can change your settings in IE to fix it (for the most part).

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