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ERE map

Post by jacob » Sun Jun 08, 2014 9:35 pm

Would there be any interest in a map US+world (sorry for the inane US-centric split here ;-P ) of where the ERE people live. I often get contacted by people via email and sometimes I can tell them that "ERE-mates" live close by. A map would certainly make it easier.

Here's the map: http://goo.gl/maps/9uxZT (click the pin icon, then plonk it down where you live or approximately where you live, and write in your forum username)

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Re: ERE map

Post by henrik » Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:02 am

What other information would the map include besides location? Simply links to forum profiles?

Technically, I guess Google maps would be easiest, but Openstreetmap would be more ERE:)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Deve ... ks#Webmaps
To reduce any one person's workload, it could possibly be integrated directly to get information from the location field of the forum profile. That in turn will need some geocoding done unless everyone starts defining their location with coordinates.

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Re: ERE map

Post by henrik » Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:26 am

As an example, I guess you mean something like this?
http://automattic.com/map/

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Re: ERE map

Post by bigato » Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:36 am

Interesting idea of using the forum profile field. On the other side, due to privacy concerns, not everybody would be willing to participate, So I would make sure there's an warning telling in advance that the info provided there would be used for this. Now while I don't have much free time at the moment, I would just ask that any integration with the forum database be made read only and do not modify or add any kind of plugins to the forum software itself. The reason for this is to guarantee that the software will keep running smoothly with versions updates being nice, easy and effortless.

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Re: ERE map

Post by Dragline » Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:57 am

Yes, that would be of interest. No ideas on how to do it -- I'll leave that to others.

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Re: ERE map

Post by jennypenny » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:11 am

Do you mean by username and location? Or just a map showing dots where people live? If you mean the second, I've seen plug-ins on other forums that automatically plot online users by IP address.

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Re: ERE map

Post by Chris » Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:11 am


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Re: ERE map

Post by jacob » Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:29 am

@Chris - Yes, exactly.

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Re: ERE map

Post by RealPerson » Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:41 am

jennypenny wrote:I've seen plug-ins on other forums that automatically plot online users by IP address.
That sounds creepy if it is automatic. In that case, I would use Tor or VPN to browse. Part of the cool thing is the anonimity of the internet. I can say things here I would never share with friends or neighbors. The map idea is really cool but it needs to be voluntary.

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Re: ERE map

Post by jennypenny » Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:14 pm

RealPerson wrote:
jennypenny wrote:I've seen plug-ins on other forums that automatically plot online users by IP address.
That sounds creepy if it is automatic. In that case, I would use Tor or VPN to browse. Part of the cool thing is the anonimity of the internet. I can say things here I would never share with friends or neighbors. The map idea is really cool but it needs to be voluntary.
I guess it is a little creepy. What's ironic is that it's used by a few invitation-only prepper forums I frequent. You'd think they would want the most privacy, but they use the IP maps to deter trolling.

Sorry, OT...

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Re: ERE map

Post by henrik » Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:56 am

The IP option is not only creepy but confusing. First, many ISP-s protect their customers from this by masquerading. Second, people visit the forum from different IPs and in different locations. Which one would the map show? Last login location or the one most logins were made from? It'll become complicated and big-brother-like very soon. Also, it wouldn't support the objective of being able to find out about others who live nearby.

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Re: ERE map

Post by jennypenny » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:34 am

henrik wrote:The IP option is not only creepy but confusing. First, many ISP-s protect their customers from this by masquerading. Second, people visit the forum from different IPs and in different locations. Which one would the map show? Last login location or the one most logins were made from? It'll become complicated and big-brother-like very soon. Also, it wouldn't support the objective of being able to find out about others who live nearby.
Ignoring how private forums use it to keep on topic...
The plug-in I've seen marks the location of each user who logged in over a designated time frame (last hour, last day, etc). It uses the location of the IP address when the person logs in. It's doesn't display which user was at each location.

I think it might be helpful to mark where the user is logging in from because they might travel or work in a different location, and would be willing to meet with people in that area and not just where they live (for some, a work location might be preferable). What I pictured was that a user could watch the map, note if there were a lot of pings in area where they'd be willing to meet, and then start a meet thread like "Hey, I noticed there are a lot of pings in Houston during the week. Is anyone interested in a mid-week meet?" Then people can respond if they wish.

I didn't understand what jacob was looking for when I posted, but I do now that I've seen the map in Chris' link. My suggestion wouldn't work for that. I was surprised at how many users were plotted on that MMM map. I'd never participate in anything like that on a public forum. I'm not saying not to do it, it just wouldn't be something I'd do.

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Re: ERE map

Post by Spartan_Warrior » Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:55 pm

I would be interested (and participate) in a voluntary map like the MMM one, as long as I don't need to give an exact street address. Using city/zip code seems like a sweet spot between utility and privacy concerns. I'm no techno-sleuth, but I don't think a username and city would be enough data for anyone to find/harm you who couldn't do so already from IP, post history, etc.

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Re: ERE map

Post by BlueNote » Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:44 pm

Sounds like a fun idea to me
Spartan_Warrior wrote:I would be interested (and participate) in a voluntary map like the MMM one, as long as I don't need to give an exact street address. Using city/zip code seems like a sweet spot between utility and privacy concerns. I'm no techno-sleuth, but I don't think a username and city would be enough data for anyone to find/harm you who couldn't do so already from IP, post history, etc.
In Canada we use postal codes, which allow more permutations then a zip code mostly due to the addition of letters and an extra character in the code. We also have 10% of the US population therefore a Canadian postal code would have a good chance of allowing someone to know where I live (via google maps) whereas a Zip code gives you a big neighbourhood in the US. Therefore I suggest cities and states/provinces/prefectures as they are fairly standardized geographic abstractions which offer sufficient anonymity.

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Re: ERE map

Post by JamesR » Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:08 am

Made an unlisted map here: http://goo.gl/maps/9uxZT

Click EDIT and then you'll see three buttons on the map, one of which is the pin. Click the pin, find your location, pin it, add your forum username.

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Re: ERE map

Post by JamesR » Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:47 pm

FWIW, I picked a random spot somewhere near my neighborhood. The pin isn't my exact location, and you don't need to pick your exact location either.

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Re: ERE map

Post by henrik » Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:15 pm

I'm not very familiar with Google's privacy policy etc, but it looks like you need to be logged in to to this, which will attach your Google username to the pin, which in turn will reveal earlier activity (directions on maps, restaurant reviews). Might not be a problem for any of you, just make sure you're comfortable associating your forum identity with your Google account.

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Re: ERE map

Post by C40 » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:33 pm

I made an account for the purpose of placing my pin

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Re: ERE map

Post by slsdly » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:58 pm

I live under a river bridge! ERE housing problem solved by becoming homeless ;).

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Re: ERE map

Post by C40 » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:38 pm

I live in a 1,400 acre park :-)

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