Where do you fall on this 4-axis political spectrum?

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https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 9.8&s=78.7

Another Social Libertarian here. This makes sense to me, I have probably always been on the dovish, liberal and progressive sides of things, but I have varied widely on the economic axis. Nowadays I tend to think that there are oppressive elements of both the ``free" market and the state. Open markets seem to me to be the default solution, but I think there are good reasons for government intervention in order to avoid market failures, equality of opportunity and poverty to some extent. I guess this is enough to push me closer to the ``egalitarian" side of the spectrum. Interesting to see that the forum tends to differ on this axis the most.

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Social Libertarian for me as well, which makes some sense.


Central on Economic, leaning toward Wealth. Very heavy to Liberty and Pacifist. The last one surprised me quite a bit, but I suspect Trump has had an impact on that one for me.

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 1.6&s=66.3

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black_son_of_gray wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:42 pm


*Edit: I find it humorous that they carry the numbers out to the 0.1%... like it is so finely tuned.
Yes, the "false precision" is amusing. There is also a "hot button issues of the day" bias factor at work I think. It would be funny to take the political party platforms from the 1950s or 1960s and line those issues up instead of the ones presented.

On a quick glance, it also appears that there is a high correlation between age and moving closer to the center, at least in this population. Probably meaning that as we get older, we just stop caring. :lol: Or maybe as jp notes, our extremes begin to cancel each other out.

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C40 wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:54 pm
Olaz wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:31 pm
https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 7.5&s=88.4

Strong Libertarian Socialist it would seem ~
That's the standard "guy that's going to an expensive liberal college" results. :-D. Just kidding... mostly.
I think my eldest would be mostly similar, although he's in a state school (that's college, not reform). The second one is probably a communist, even though he's not even in college yet. He played Jill Stein at their h.s. mock presidential debates.

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Overall: Centrist
Economic: Centrist, slight bias towards Equality
Diplomatic: Balanced, slight bias towards Might
Civil: Moderate, slight bias towards Liberty
Societal: Neutral, slight bias towards Progress

My largest excursion from 50/50 is 57.2% Liberty (over Authority).

Not far off from where I would have guessed myself to be.

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Olaz wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:16 pm
James_0011 wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:14 pm
libertarian socialist

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 4.3&s=91.7
Maybe we can be friends n' stuff?
N' Stuff :D ;) ;) ;) ;)

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Dragline wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:46 pm
On a quick glance, it also appears that there is a high correlation between age and moving closer to the center, at least in this population. Probably meaning that as we get older, we just stop caring. :lol: Or maybe as jp notes, our extremes begin to cancel each other out.
maybe political identity forms at a certain (coming of) age. then, when political hot topics of the day change later, what one identifies with becomes irrelevant to the quizzes being asked.

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BRUTE wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:48 pm
Dragline wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:46 pm
On a quick glance, it also appears that there is a high correlation between age and moving closer to the center, at least in this population. Probably meaning that as we get older, we just stop caring. :lol: Or maybe as jp notes, our extremes begin to cancel each other out.
maybe political identity forms at a certain (coming of) age. then, when political hot topics of the day change later, what one identifies with becomes irrelevant to the quizzes being asked.
That makes sense. Especially on the gun and climate change questions in the past 40 years and the abortion ones in the past 60. In the 1960s and 1970s you would have asked about civil rights laws, the Vietnam War, and bussing to enforce integration. Also the Equal Rights Amendment and women being allowed to be members in country clubs and other men's social and business clubs. And Virginia Slims ads about "You've Come a Long Way, Baby!"

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JasonR wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:04 pm

If you answer everything as "strongly agree" you become a left-wing populist. Answer everything as "agree" and you magically become a centrist. You will also be a centrist if you answer all "neutral/unsure", or "disagree". Clicking all "strongly disagree" makes you a liberal.
Actually no, I don't think that would happen. Some questions have negations and some have comparison where you have to select your degree of preference between two options. So jamming down on 1 of the 5 buttons should give you a random outcome.

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Centrist, Dovish, Libertarian, Progressive: Closest Overall Match: Libertarian. Kind of surprised by results.

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@7w5 Same rating here but I did feel like @jennypenny that some of my strong views were pulled back by other strong views.

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In my case, it might just be that I am currently spending too much energy trying to exert authority over young hooligans within the structure of a bureaucracy, while simultaneously being obstructed from doing-what-I-want-to-do by stupid zoning ordinances.

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fiby41 wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:05 pm
JasonR wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:04 pm

If you answer everything as "strongly agree" you become a left-wing populist. Answer everything as "agree" and you magically become a centrist. You will also be a centrist if you answer all "neutral/unsure", or "disagree". Clicking all "strongly disagree" makes you a liberal.
Actually no, I don't think that would happen. Some questions have negations and some have comparison where you have to select your degree of preference between two options. So jamming down on 1 of the 5 buttons should give you a random outcome.
easy enough to confirm. JasonR is right. takes about 5 seconds of click work.

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BRUTE wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:02 am
JasonR wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:04 pm

If you answer everything as "strongly agree" you become a left-wing populist. Answer everything as "agree" and you magically become a centrist. You will also be a centrist if you answer all "neutral/unsure", or "disagree". Clicking all "strongly disagree" makes you a liberal.
easy enough to confirm. JasonR is right. takes about 5 seconds of click work.
Ya he is right. I also got the same.

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Social libertarianism?

Left libertarianism in the Vallentyne-Steiner sense by another name, I guess.
fiby41 wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:56 am
I don't think tradition and progress are opposite to each other.
Not that I want to immediately disagree, but if you would elaborate on this, I would listen. Because as a first pass it seems to me that while tradition and progress aren't necessarily strictly opposed, they probably are in practice, most of the time. What is tradition if not that which has been done, repetitively, though time? What is progress if it is not something that differs from the past?

Of course I recognise that the term 'progress' is loaded with difficulty. Because whoever argues for progress says that they want some thing that is better than the status quo, and hence that's progress, whereas someone who does not think that thing in question is better would quibble with calling it that. I don't think that this fundamentally interferes with my question above.

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Solvent wrote:
fiby41 wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:56 am
I don't think tradition and progress are opposite to each other.
Not that I want to immediately disagree, but if you would elaborate on this, I would listen.
I'm quoting Putin who was in turn quoting a Russian poet:

Conservatism is that which does not get in the way of moving forward but does prevent from sliding backward.

In trading parlance, tradition is the stop loss if progress is the exit target.

In electronics parlance, tradition and progress are the lower and higher cutoff frequencies respectively for an analog active component/device.
Because as a first pass it seems to me that while tradition and progress aren't necessarily strictly opposed, they probably are in practice, most of the time.
You are right that progress should take precedence over tradition when they're conflicting.
What is tradition if not that which has been done, repetitively, though time? What is progress if it is not something that differs from the past?
Not all change is desirable, required or beneficial. There could be opportunity costs for not changing but then again there could be costs associated with changing too soon. We all follow rituals to structure our lives. Going to bar on Friday evening and to church on Sunday mornings are both equal cultural traditions. Brushing and bathing are our morning rituals. It's been done repetitively, through time. I suspect there's probably a good reason for this tradition. Two ways to check it's validity: look for social proof, are other people doing it? Go without it and see the effects.

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