ZAFCorrection wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:00 pm
If you agree with that point then I am honestly confused why trump as president figures high in your list of concerns. If he isn't around mucking things up, it would just be some other person or factor.
because the world is not a linear process..
i already said, i don’t know if trump is cause or effect, but i see him as making the problem worse regardless. there are many other possible responses to our current situation that don’t include trump.
your logic from A to B to C appears sound if there’s only A and B and C, but the world does not run on simple factors. we’re dealing with A1, A2.... An, followed by B1...Bn, etc etc., and compounded at each step.
if life were so easily deduced we would have solved it already.
ZAFCorrection wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:00 pm
By taking a more targeted approach, I mean honestly figure out why people thought to vote for him and try to fix that problem*. Most likely, the answer will be some intractable structural problem (e.g. resource constraints causing aggressive zero sum behaviors), so the better approach might be to figure out how to mitigate your personal exposure.
well, i believe there are structural problems that are difficult but not intractable, and any fix is going to be slow and painful. but the structural problems can be there without a huckster taking advantage of them for his own benefit and worsening the situation in the process.
and my personal exposure is not all that maters to me. the fate of the country matters to me as well. wtf. i’m not a solipsist, i don’t live alone in orbit, i live in a community in a society.
your advice makes me think of someone coming to you heartbroken because their mother is dying of a horrible brain tumor. then you say “well, her death was baked into the fact that your mother was born, so it’sn best to reduce your personal exposure to her death. just stop seeing her now.”
well, no. everyone dies, systems transform themselves, but it doesn’t have to be a horrible death or an awful transformation, and the horrible brain tumor with terrible side effects is worth removing regardless of the inevitability of eventual death.
ZAFCorrection wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:00 pm
*Or at least come up with some positive way to convince people. Holy shit. Clinton was all stick and no carrot. You're an asshole if you don't vote for me. The Democrats have also really upped their narrative since then, haven't they? Vote for Biden or it's the end of world. You've automatically lost people if they don't think it will be the end of the world and that is all you have been telling them.
yeah, hillary was a terrible candidate no doubt, most unfortunate, but nothing to do with the issue really. i didn’t personally handpick her for the job.
and i’m not a political campaign manager, so i can’t say with any certainty what will work.
but it really is the end of the world to me, to see this country going down the drain so quickly at the hands of a moral degenerate. and sure, the system can eventually self correct, but the damage is done already. we took the wrong turn and we’re paying for it, and will continue to pay for years to come.
brain tumor surgery scheduled for november. i expect many “reasonable republicans” will join.