NZ Shooter used the term overton window in manifesto

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IlliniDave
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Re: NZ Shooter used the term overton window in manifesto

Post by IlliniDave » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:06 pm

fiby41 wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:20 pm
Fun facts:
UN finds that US forces killed more Afghan civilians than
Taliban and ISIS did so far in 2019
https://unama.unmissions.org/protection ... ns-reports
Thanks for linking that. Are you attributing all casualties attributed to pro-government forces to US forces to arrive at that conclusion? Even if all international military force casualties are attributed to the US (I don't know if that is true or not, but it is a NATO mission) the deaths are still less (not by a whole lot) than those attributed to the Taliban. Still, far more than anyone would want to see, no doubt.

As far as I know ISIS has no presence in Afghanistan. If similar data is compiled for Syria and Iraq comparisons can be made. I fear the alleged ISIS tactic of using non-combatants as human shields might make the numbers grim.
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Kriegsspiel
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Re: NZ Shooter used the term overton window in manifesto

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:11 pm

fiby41 wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:20 pm
Fun facts:
UN finds that US forces killed more Afghan civilians than
Taliban and ISIS did so far in 2019
https://unama.unmissions.org/protection ... ns-reports
Using the numbers from the report, this is untrue.

It attributes 146 deaths (232 total civilian casualties) to International Military Forces, and 43 deaths (214 total) to ISIS, and 173 deaths (698 total) to the Taliban.

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Re: NZ Shooter used the term overton window in manifesto

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:16 pm

IlliniDave wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:06 pm
Thanks for linking that. Are you attributing all casualties attributed to pro-government forces to US forces to arrive at that conclusion? Even if all international military force casualties are attributed to the US (I don't know if that is true or not) the deaths are still less (not by a whole lot) than those attributed to the Taliban. Still, far more than anyone would want to see, no doubt.

As far as I know ISIS has no presence in Afghanistan. If similar data is compiled for Syria and Iraq comparisons can be made. I fear with the alleged ISIS tactic of of using non-combatants as human shields might make the numbers grim.
An ISIS franchise has been operating in Afghanistan for years. Even before that, though, the Anti-Government Forces, as the report calls them, frequently attack from populated areas hoping that return fire will kill civilians.
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IlliniDave
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Re: NZ Shooter used the term overton window in manifesto

Post by IlliniDave » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:25 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:16 pm
An ISIS franchise has been operating in Afghanistan for years.
Is that the Daesh/ISKP mentioned in the report? I didn't know they were linked to ISIS.

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Re: NZ Shooter used the term overton window in manifesto

Post by niemand » Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:13 am

Daesh = ad-Doulah al-Aslamiya fil-Eraq wa-Sham = the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria = ISIS
Not overly interested in Middle East goings-on anymore, but used to speak Arabic reasonably well back in the day.

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