To be clear Monckton's ideas are not given greater credence than scientists specializing in the field. That is just an example to describe how poorly some of the "scientists" within this field have acted.Ego wrote:Stevo73.... first this caveat about tone. I suck at communicating my 'voice' so I want to start by setting my tone. Imagine two friends having a friendly conversation over coffee. Not one iota of a raised voice or anger. Two people honestly trying to learn from one another......steveo73 wrote:Ego - that is a good point but I think that there is more to it.
I notice that when I provide facts that prove a person's belief wrong they may not outwardly admit that they have a belief that doesn't correspond to reality however I think that their brains are probably processing the new reality.
When pressed to provide a peer reviewed paper to refute global warming, you linked to a paper by Christopher Monckton.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph ... _Brenchley
I do not wish to pull the GW argument into this tread. I want to understand what's going on. I think we can agree that he is not an expert.
Simple question: Why is it that Monckton's ideas are given greater credence than the scientists specializing in the field?
I have provided examples from Judith Curry who is an expert in that field and other experts.
In stating that we have to get over the appeal to authority type of arguments. The problem is that there has been a tonne of extremely poor "science" within this field. It has been politicised.
I think that is changing now because the facts are clearly proving that the theory was a made up piece of palava.
I do find it interesting that your quote here is related to my comments on climate change. I think that the facts are clearly stating that climate change isn't occurring. My expectation is that a lot of people who believed in AGW should now be admitting that they had an erroneous belief. They will though probably do though exactly what I stated. They will slowly process the new reality and deal with the emotional side of it prior to accepting it into their conscious reality.
I also don't really get angry and I didn't think you were angry. Calm rational discussion is what is needed.