Political correctness run amok

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Re: Political correctness run amok

Post by 7Wannabe5 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:21 am

The 4 books I am reading right now are "The Systems View of Life: A Unifying Vision" (A), "Private Life" by Jane Smiley (B), "The Orphan Master's Son" by Adam Johnson (C), and "Michigan: A History of the Great Lakes State."(D)



(A)"Moreover, the differences between human races worldwide are thought to be coded by only 0.1% of the human genome. This means that molecular genetics has demonstrated that there are no significant differences among the various human races."



(B)"1937...

"So why go back to Europe?"

"Believe me, I don't want to go. In 1916, I couldn't imagine anything more exciting than to have your ship attacked by a U-Boat and write your last dispatch and stuff it in a bottle while you were drowning, knowing that an editor from the New York Herald would inevitably find it and put it on the front page."

"And now?"

"Now I know that it will be hard to find hot water for a nice bath, and there will be a constant stream of people in every city who will deserve to eat more than I deserve a new hat, and that friends from long ago who were once truly simpatico will now be disgorging the most impossible sentiments about Anglo-Saxon purity or the rights of Italians to a 'mare italiano' or whatever they call it."



(C) "Through a window, they watched Korean women cut the toenails of Japanese women. For fun, they operated a vending machine and received a bag of orange food neither would taste.

...

Gil tried to speak to the Japanese women, but they smiled and ignored him. Then he bought a drink for the bartender She came over and talked with him while she poured it. She was thin shouldered, but her shirt was tight and her hair was absolutely black. They drank together, and he said something to make her laugh. When she went to fill an order, Gil turned to Jun Do, "If you slept with one of these girls," Gil said, "you'd know it was because she wanted to, not like some military comfort girl trying to get nine stamps a day in her quota book or a factory gal getting married off by her housing council. Back home pretty girls never even raise their eyes to you. You can't even have a cup of tea without her father arranging a marriage?"

Pretty girls? Jun Do thought, "The world thinks I am an orphan, that's my curse."

...

"In this whole stupid country" Jun Do said, "the only thing that made sense to me were the Korean ladies on their knees cleaning the feet of the Japanese."



(D) "Politically the Klan was quite strong, electing mayors in Flint in 1924 and Detroit in 1929, as well as many state legislators. In Detroit one of the reasons for the success of Klan candidates was that Jewish voters stayed home rather than choose between a Klan candidate or a candidate backed by Henry Ford, one of the country's leading anti-Semites. Ford openly blamed Jews for making obscene movies, bootlegging, and spreading immorality through their music, especially songs written by Irving Berlin."



The careers of my paternal grandfather and my great-grandfather as high-ranking appointees for the city government spanned most of the 20th century. The following was once written about my great-grandfather.
"He has the recommendation of everybody who knows him, for the reason that you cannot leave his presence without placing him in your highest esteem as a gentleman and a scholar."

The summer after my divorce (2007), I dated a very artistically multi-talented black man who collaborated with some Jewish men in the 1990s to produce a critically acclaimed album of music with an overtly sexual title in the Detroit garage rock scene. He was very lucky, that the contingency that is very important in all life (See reference A), resulted in being raised in a very low income, single mother household right next to the boundary of an Orthodox Jewish ghetto.
brute believes 7Wannabe5's point is that all human males are thugs. so it's probably more sexist than racist.
There are individual men who are inherently gentle through and through. Gomer Pyle, for instance. Truly gentle men are to be found as rarity in every human social grouping. There are also men who are gentlemen. It seems to me that some people have recently become confused about this.

I prefer to describe my current perspective on the male/female divide as "post-feminist." However, I can't decide whether circumstances are such that it is not yet safe to be post-feminist or circumstances are such that it is already too far gone not to be post-feminist. Due to the unfortunate fact that my dear crazy Bohemian artist sister recently found herself incarcerated in the prison system of Detroit for 5 days, I can verify that even the worst of environments inhabited by only females are less "thuggish" than, for instance, the private prep school for the sons of wealthy families that my Persian-ex attended in the pre-revolution Tehran of his youth.

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Re: Political correctness run amok

Post by Kriegsspiel » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:22 pm

With the events of recent months and years, Google is apparently now trying to weed out publishers that are using its money streams and architecture to publish hate speech. Certainly you’d probably be unhappy to hear that Stormfront was funded by ads run through Google. I’m not saying that’s happening. I’m just giving you a sense of what they are apparently trying to combat. Over the last several months we’ve gotten a few notifications from Google telling us that certain pages of ours were penalized for ‘violations’ of their ban for hate speech. When we looked at the pages they were talking about they were articles about white supremacist incidents. Most were tied to Dylann Roof’s mass murder in Charleston.

Now in practice all this meant was that two or three old stories about Dylann Roof could no longer run ads purchased through Google. I’d say it’s unlikely that loss to TPM amounted to even a cent a month. Totally meaningless. But here’s the catch. The way these warnings work and the way these particular warnings were worded, you get penalized enough times and then you’re blacklisted.

Now, certainly you’re figuring we could contact someone at Google and explain that we’re not publishing hate speech and racist violence. We’re reporting on it. Not really. We tried that. We got back a message from our rep not really understanding the distinction and cheerily telling us to try to operate within the no hate speech rules. And how many warnings until we’re blacklisted? Who knows?

If we were cut off, would that be Adexchange (the ads) or DoubleClick for Publishers (the road) or both? Who knows?

If the first stopped we’d lose a big chunk of money that wouldn’t put us out of business but would likely force us to retrench. If we were kicked off the road more than half of our total revenue would disappear instantly and would stay disappeared until we found a new road – i.e., a new ad serving service or technology... Needless to say, the impact of this would be cataclysmic and could easily drive us out of business.
From this article. It could be fun to see how this plays out.

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Re: Political correctness run amok

Post by Riggerjack » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:23 pm

"don't be evil."

Didn't last long, did it?

Don't get me wrong, I really like Google, and the long term deflationary internet effect is probably the best way to help the poor.

However, power corrupts, monopolies corrupt, and Google has both. I think they have done very well, for longer than we could reasonably expect, but it's time to breakup the monopolies.

And I think FB is next.

Kriegspiel, that was an excellent link. To a site I never heard of, with not much else of interest, but a very well written summary of Google power, and its practical application.

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Re: Political correctness run amok

Post by jennypenny » Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:51 pm

Rogan had Damore on his podcast today ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ1JeII0eGo

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Re: Political correctness run amok

Post by The Old Man » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:56 pm

Riggerjack wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:23 pm
"don't be evil."
... Google power, and its practical application.
Google Power!
Congratulations, I think a new phrase has now been coined.

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Re: Political correctness run amok

Post by Riggerjack » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:25 pm

Riggerjack, wordsmith.

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Re: Political correctness run amok

Post by BRUTE » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:02 pm

like all naive young humans, Google probably really thought they could prevent becoming evil by putting it in their motto. like all naive young humans, they were wrong.

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Re: Political correctness run amok

Post by bryan » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:57 pm

I think Google is getting a bad rap here. By that I mean, yes, Google has a lot of power and of course has made evil decisions in the past, but otherwise it is a very good, not evil, company making very good decisions. I've long held that if you want good return on investment, find the evil version of Google (maybe it was Facebook.. but more likely a Chinese competitor e.g. Baidu/Tencent). Most corporations have been more evil than Google as well as most governments. I for one am happy that Google is so not evil.

As for their monopoly.. there seems to be a lot of competitors in all of their markets. So no need to get the government involved in breaking up Google (or do you mean Alphabet?), just switch services. I would be more worried about domain name registrars (and ICANN) or ISPs than Google.

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Re: Political correctness run amok

Post by Riggerjack » Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:37 pm

As for their monopoly.. there seems to be a lot of competitors in all of their markets. So no need to get the government involved in breaking up Google (or do you mean Alphabet?), just switch services. I would be more worried about domain name registrars (and ICANN) or ISPs than Google.
I agree, for a megacorp that big, Google is not very evil. But it seems to be getting eviler, and anytime an organization can wipe out successful businesses by unintended consequences, it's just too big.

What would be the reasonable competitor for Adsense or DoubleClick? If you run a web based business, and Google drops you for violating an algorithm you don't get to see, relating to policies they don't publish, what are your options?

Ma bell wasn't this ubiquitous before the breakup.

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Re: Political correctness run amok

Post by bryan » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:07 pm

I'm not privy to the state of web monetization (via ads), but from discussions I've had with others there is no lack of competitors (but it's clear Adsense and DoubleClick are the preferred and dominant solutions).

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Re: Political correctness run amok

Post by Riggerjack » Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:32 pm

https://promarket.org/efforts-deal-tech ... t-failure/

Q: The five largest internet and tech companies—Apple, Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Microsoft—have outstanding market share in their markets. Are current antitrust policies and theories able to deal with the potential problems that arise from the dominant positions of these companies and the vast data they collect on users?

Our efforts to deal with the problems in the United States have been an abject failure. I refer in particular to the failed efforts against Microsoft and Intel, in both of which I played some active role.

The European Community antitrust agency has been more successful, at least in the largely completed Microsoft and Intel cases. The success of its efforts with respect to Google remains to be seen. I believe the Commission has also acted against Amazon’s use of low-tax nations as billing addresses for shipments in Europe to higher-tax jurisdictions, although I’m not sure how successful.

I might note that Facebook’s dominant position in the market is due in part to its role as an innovator and partly to “network externalities”—that is, the service is more valuable to potential customer I if customers J and K are connected. I know of no antitrust actions with respect to Facebook. I might note that Microsoft’s dominant position is also attributable in part to network externalities—i.e., once its operating system was accepted as a standard, applications program writers had an incentive to tailor their applications to the Microsoft standard.

But the antitrust agencies have not taken sufficient measures to remedy abuses of this advantage.

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Re: Political correctness run amok

Post by Riggerjack » Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:46 pm

https://promarket.org/slow-creeping-con ... d-states/
Google putting pressure on think tanks who study Google's market concentration. Researchers fired over investigation of Google.
Q: It is very rare that pressures on think tanks, newspapers, or academic researchers, either by corporations or government entities, leak out. Usually both sides prefer to keep it quiet. Why did you decide to go public?

Most of the time, this stuff doesn’t get brought out because there’s a forward-looking fear. “Let’s not upset this person now, because they’ll have the ability to harm me tomorrow.”

In our case, the connection between our work on Google and the decision to kick us out was pretty straight-forward. We were faced with a decision that put our work at risk and put us personally at risk. When we were given two months to leave, we had two potential paths forward: one was I’d come to some kind of accommodation with New America, and the other was bring this out to the public. We wanted to have both options on the table, depending on how the negotiations developed. One thing that was really non-negotiable was that we would not accept any kind of agreement that would result in the potential for people to perceive our work differently—the work is simply too important.

Ultimately, it came down to us feeling that it was important to get the story out. This was our work, this is what we had been doing, we had studied the patterns, so we were able to place it in context. We had the contacts and the context necessary to work constructively with our funders through the process of moving out, and had a reputation on this issue that meant people would take us seriously.

A lot of other people, when this happens, don’t have an existing profile that would allow them to bring it to the press in a way that the press would believe them or care.

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Re: Political correctness run amok

Post by bryan » Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:47 pm

The question of antitrust in tech (or anywhere) is a good one. I can think of plenty of examples myself (Qualcomm is likely the worst offender in their markets in the last ten years).

Nice quote from second link:
"These companies, because of their nature, because they’re kind of fundamental to the business of so many other companies, they, at least to my eye, appear to pose a much bigger threat to our political and economic well-being than big banks or other concentrated industries."

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Re: Political correctness run amok

Post by ffj » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:58 am

@jenypenny

I didn't watch the Rogan interview, but I did watch the Rubin one. This dude comes across as a pretty decent guy to be honest. I thought it was telling that he offered liberal outlets a chance to hear his side of the story without any interest on their parts. Also telling was that apparently the company was asking for input to solve low rates of female participation which he was responding to and not just a random "manifesto" he openly sent to everyone.

I don't feel sorry for the guy however, because I think ultimately he is going to come out smelling like a rose. I think he has accidentally opened quite a few doors for himself.

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Re: Political correctness run amok

Post by theanimal » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:06 pm

This article from The Atlantic is making the rounds

Americans Strongly Dislike PC Culture
According to the report, 25 percent of Americans are traditional or devoted conservatives, and their views are far outside the American mainstream. Some 8 percent of Americans are progressive activists, and their views are even less typical. By contrast, the two-thirds of Americans who don’t belong to either extreme constitute an “exhausted majority.” Their members “share a sense of fatigue with our polarized national conversation, a willingness to be flexible in their political viewpoints, and a lack of voice in the national conversation.”

Most members of the “exhausted majority,” and then some, dislike political correctness. Among the general population, a full 80 percent believe that “political correctness is a problem in our country.” Even young people are uncomfortable with it, including 74 percent ages 24 to 29, and 79 percent under age 24. On this particular issue, the woke are in a clear minority across all ages.

Youth isn’t a good proxy for support of political correctness—and it turns out race isn’t, either.

Whites are ever so slightly less likely than average to believe that political correctness is a problem in the country: 79 percent of them share this sentiment. Instead, it is Asians (82 percent), Hispanics (87percent), and American Indians (88 percent) who are most likely to oppose political correctness

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Three quarters of African Americans oppose political correctness. This means that they are only four percentage points less likely than whites, and only five percentage points less likely than the average, to believe that political correctness is a problem.
The original study can be found within the article.

The argument is that instead of race and age, income and education is a better predictor of support for political correctness.

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