N. Korea - This Time For Real?

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N. Korea - This Time For Real?

Post by TimeTravel » Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:49 am

Headline reads "Kim Says He’ll Give Up Weapons if U.S. Promises Not to Invade". Sounds kind of like surrender to me.
SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, told President Moon Jae-in of South Korea when they met that he would abandon his nuclear weapons if the United States would agree to formally end the Korean War and promise that it would not invade his country, a South Korean government spokesman said Sunday.

In a faith-building gesture ahead of a summit meeting with President Trump, Mr. Kim also said he would invite experts and journalists from South Korea and the United States to watch the shutdown next month of his country’s only known underground nuclear test site.

The comments by Mr. Kim were made on Friday when the leaders of the two Koreas met at Panmunjom, a village on their shared border, the spokesman, Yoon Young-chan, said on Sunday, providing additional details of the meeting.

“I know the Americans are inherently disposed against us, but when they talk with us, they will see that I am not the kind of person who would shoot nuclear weapons to the south, over the Pacific or at the United States,” Mr. Kim told Mr. Moon, according to Mr. Yoon’s account of the meeting.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/29/worl ... clear.html

Pretty much a layup the rest of the way now for the Dennis Rodman summit.

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Post by IlliniDave » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:44 am

Hard to believe it will be that easy. I wonder if he doesn't see himself as the future leader of a unified Korea somehow. Or alternatively, if they are putting enough pressure on China via "trade war" talk that China is pressuring KJU to play nice. Or maybe he's just having an Eddie Haskell moment.

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Post by TimeTravel » Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:02 pm

IlliniDave wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:44 am
Hard to believe it will be that easy. I wonder if he doesn't see himself as the future leader of a unified Korea somehow. Or alternatively, if they are putting enough pressure on China via "trade war" talk that China is pressuring KJU to play nice. Or maybe he's just having an Eddie Haskell moment.
From KJU's perspective, the latest nuke experiment blew up (literally) as that caused a mountain collapse. Better for him to deal now before someone calls his bluff. Eddie Haskell moment is a good description.

I think the biggest challenge for Trump will be to not get in the way of a real effort for peace. As if the two Korea's unite and they get along with China, will Trump promote calm? Not one of his strengths. Only time will tell.

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Post by TimeTravel » Wed May 16, 2018 1:42 pm

There goes the layup. Looks the goodwill is starting to fade.

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Post by Jason » Wed May 16, 2018 2:15 pm

Even if they do meet, I see them as being too distracted by the other's hair to remain focused on the nuke issue.

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Post by TimeTravel » Wed May 16, 2018 4:56 pm

I actually thought KJU would decided nukes aren't worth it and come totally clean. That's the idealist in me. But now looks like he said, he said. Two different ideas of what an agreement means.

The may be an impasse as the US isn't gonna stop military drills and N. Korea isn't gonna surrender nukes for fear of pulling a Gaddafi or Saddam in the end. That's the realist in me.

Or Trump my just have the meeting, make no real deal, but all that the biggest success ever.

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Post by jennypenny » Wed May 16, 2018 5:21 pm

If Xi gets the trade concessions he wants from Trump, he'll put the screws to NK and get them to negotiate.

There are rumors that NK's nuclear test site was more of an assisted suicide than a collapse, and this is NK's way of saving face by offering to dismantle it as a good faith gesture.

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Post by IlliniDave » Wed May 16, 2018 6:52 pm

I think the annual temper tantrums when the USFK/SK do their exercises are mostly reflexive and were expected. I do think KJU fears for his life but I would never trust a sovereign power with nuclear capability to give it up. Governments just don't do that even if they say they will.

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Post by Gilberto de Piento » Wed May 16, 2018 9:26 pm

Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons and look at how that turned out.

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Post by chenda » Thu May 17, 2018 10:04 am

As did South Africa.

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Post by TimeTravel » Thu May 17, 2018 10:34 pm

The latest as of today...

Trump pretty much says to KJU, "Give me that Nobel Peace prize or you will be decimated" :roll: .

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