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These millennials will retire in 40s

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Young professionals are living by a new motto —Financial Independence, Retire Early (FIRE). All so that they can put up their feet by a ripe young age.
Before they got married in 2014, Naren spoke to his bride-to-be Sugandha about an idea that had been close to his heart for years: saving and investing enough to be able to escape the rat race as soon as possible. Sugandha, who worked at a Gurgaon startup and was used to splurging, took some time to see his point of view. Eventually, the couple began their married life by working for a goal many only dream of — retiring at 45.
“When you become financially independent by 45, you can make bold life choices like changing careers, starting a business, working fewer hours for a healthier work-life balance or, simply taking a break for a few years,” says Naren, 36, who tracks his progress on his blog Saving Habit and wants to work in a non-profit post retirement.
Naren and Sugandha are part of a small tribe of Indians inspired by an online movement called FIRE — an acronym for Financial Independence, Retire Early. There is even a FIRE India forum on Reddit to exchange tips on personal finance. Many follow the blog, Mr Money Moustache run by an American Peter Adeney, for guidance. He and his wife retired at 30 by saving upwards of 70% of their income each year. And yes, they managed this without winning the lottery or banking on an inheritance.
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Naren (36), Sugandha (33), software engineer and blogger couple, moved to Goa to cut expenses. They plan to retire at 45, Save 50% of monthly income. Blogs at Savinghabit.com
For Indians, early retirement is more difficult. In a 2017 global retirement index of 43 countries which took into account factors like saving avenues, healthcare etc, India ranked the lowest. But many millennials are still FIREd up. For some, especially IT professionals, it is a way of coping with the fear of layoffs in the time of new technologies, and seeing their incomes stagnate as they reach middle management. Naren’s own difficulties in finding a job after graduation and later working as a techie in the US made the idea even more appealing. “Our parents’ generation expected to have job security till 60 and then retire with a pension,” Naren says. “We expect neither.” While real estate was his parents’ biggest investment, Naren’s generation prioritises personal freedom and career mobility, and focuses on inflation-beating investments and liquid assets.

Financial planner Surya Bhatia says early retirement was never a primary objective like it is now. “People strive and work towards financial independence, and even go the extra mile to save,” he says.
For others, it spells escape from the corporate grind. Delhi-based online marketing professional Ankit Garg wants to hang up his boots early because he wants to spend more time with his son. “Our generation values their time more than anything else,” says Garg, 34, who runs the blog 60to45. “Today’s jobs are more strenuous, and people burn out sooner.”
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Ankit (34) & Prakriti Garg (33), online marketing professional and banker. The Delhi-based couple has sold their second car, cut back on eating out, and travel in off-season. They plan to retire at 45, and save 35% of monthly income. Blogs at 60to45.com
Hyderabad’s Rajshekhar Roy, who was 49 when he retired from corporate life in 2014, says many people also opt out when they realise there are limited chances of moving up the professional ladder. “Only a few people become CEOs,” says Roy, who himself retired as a CEO to pursue other interests like travelling, training others and sports. Today, he spends half his time working as a consultant and taking workshops. “Many think ‘I’ll travel at 60’, but I believe that is too late an age to do something new,” he says.
Of course, retirement doesn’t necessarily mean you stop working completely. “My idea of FIRE is to have enough money to have an option of not working ever again but not the obligation,” says Lucknow-based investment adviser Dev Ashish, 33, who has helped several of his clients become financially independent.

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Dev Ashish (33) and Aditi Dev (32), investment advisor and jewellery designer. The duo lives in Lucknow, plans to retire at 40, saves over 50% of monthly income but keeps 5% aside for travelling. Blogs at Stableinvestor.com
In the meantime, Naren and Sugandha are working towards their goal. They moved to Goa as it’s quieter and has lower living costs than the metros. They don’t dine out more than once a week, buying gadgets only when they stop working. Instead of buying a house on EMI, they saved up to purchse one as an investment and currently live on rent. They use cash instead of a credit card, and take only domestic holidays. “Rewiring our instant-gratification spending habits towards delayed gratification took effort initially,” says Naren, who has saved 34% of his target. “We are able to cut down our expenses just by buying what is needed and not wasting what we already have.”
Naren and others are aware of the challenges unique to India. “While inflation rates in the US are 3-4%, actual inflation in India is close to 8-10%,” says Pattabiraman M, an IIT-Madras professor, who runs the popular blog Freefincal. “The biggest challenge is having enough to handle inflation.” Also, unexpected expenses such as a medical emergency may disturb your plans. “Life’s googlies can be difficult. When you’re young, you think you can wing it, but not when you’re 45,” Pattabiraman says. “Even if you have enough money, it is better to have a reasonable source of side income so you can choose when to work and how to work.”
For Garg, the key is to first invest and then spend. “Usually, people take care of monthly expenses and then save the rest. I flip this,” says Garg, who creates his personal budget for the year in January. “As your income increases, it is your saving rates rather than your expenses which should go up.” This has meant selling his second car, buying a phone under Rs 10,000, travelling only in the off-season, and minimising eating out despite being a foodie.
Yet, the pressure to keep up with the Joneses can make it hard to stay focused. “In my friends’ circle, everyone’s kids wear branded clothes, but I will use that money for my son’s education,” Garg says. “Everyone wants to retire early but not everyone wants to go through the journey,” he adds more philosophically.

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"there's gonna be a revolution, well you know..."

It's amazing how much us commoners have in common? Even across oceans and vastly different cultures?

It occurs to me how the corporate culture has created (or at least very greatly contributed) to the FIRE movement. The universal mantra of corporate greed is "do more with less". That leads to decreasing staff while increasing the work load. Especially on your work horses.

Your work horses don't shoulder more of the load because they are stupid. It's usually the opposite. The work horses work harder because they are motivated by the vision that the show horses lack. The realization that they can keep what they gain.

But in the corporate world, work horses are rewarded with more work. That gets to the point that your work horses sit down and do some math. This time with their own interest in heart.

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This is an interesting article. Thanks for sharing. I had a colleague from IIT who always vacationed in Goa. I got the idea it was a really luxurious vacation spot. Very interesting how it comes up twice in the article as an inexpensive place for early retirees in India. Must be advantageous - in that attracts smart people. They value life and money.

If I weren’t tied down with family obligations in Los Angeles I’d love to go exploring India.
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But in the corporate world, work horses are rewarded with more work. That gets to the point that your work horses sit down and do some math. This time with their own interest in heart.
Indeed true. A kid asked yesterday if my secret to success was working “really really hard” because that’s what her teachers say at school. I told her it depends if you’re working for yourself or not.

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Farm_or wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:32 am
"there's gonna be a revolution, well you know..."

It's amazing how much us commoners have in common? Even across oceans and vastly different cultures?

It occurs to me how the corporate culture has created (or at least very greatly contributed) to the FIRE movement. The universal mantra of corporate greed is "do more with less". That leads to decreasing staff while increasing the work load. Especially on your work horses.

Your work horses don't shoulder more of the load because they are stupid. It's usually the opposite. The work horses work harder because they are motivated by the vision that the show horses lack. The realization that they can keep what they gain.

But in the corporate world, work horses are rewarded with more work. That gets to the point that your work horses sit down and do some math. This time with their own interest in heart.
Basically how I ended up in the movement...

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fiby41 wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:56 am
Nice post. Thanks for lot of information in this thread.

I was searching for how the lifestyle will be post FIRE.. found this one. I am starting FIRE lifestyle from next month in Hyderabad, India.. 43 years old, kids at 8 and 5.

Thought to second more time with DW, kids and extended family while focussing on my interesting areas like spirituality, travel, sports etc

Will check other references given in the article.

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MyObjectivism wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 8:00 am
spirituality
You'll have to select a school of thought or a system of philosophy. It is not compulsory but provides direction to your pursuit.

A handy guide is what you're willing to consider as sources of knowledge:

1 Pratyaksha direct perception
2 AnumAna inference
3 Agama testimony [of the Vedas]
4 UpamAna comparison
5 Arthapatti deduction
6 Anupalabdhi unapprehension
7 Aitihya tradition
8 Chesta gesture
9 Parishesha process of elimination and
10 Sambhava process of induction.

Go to Dvaita Vedanta if you consider first 3
Go to Tantra if you consider the first 9
Advaita Vedanta for the first 6
Nyaya for the first 4
Yoga and Sankhya for the first 3
All but 3 and 8, the Purana ic literature will interest you
Vaisheshika, Jaina and Bauddha (specialists, Jains and Buddhists) the first 2
Nastika (non believes) only the first.

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Wow.. long list. Looks like you did lot of research and started spiritual journey long back which is really good.

I practice meditation and a trainer too so my plan is to spend on this for 6 hours a day to practice and train others every day.

And definitely will check the list provided by you and explore it.

Thanks a lot.

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