Convince me that I should have children.

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Re: Convince me that I should have children.

Post by BRUTE » Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:45 am

crazy idea: what if humans don't usually have well thought-out reasons for their actions and just wing it, including how many kids to have?

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Re: Convince me that I should have children.

Post by Dragline » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:31 am

Works great on population control so long as "winging it" is equal opportunity. Where women are allowed to "wing it" by becoming educated, work for pay and have access to birth control, you don't have a population problem -- or at least not the one you thought you had.

http://www.visualcapitalist.com/fertili ... g-economy/

Also discussed in this recent podcast in the starting at around the 9 minute mark: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/audio/201 ... o-ivo6mbun

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Re: Convince me that I should have children.

Post by Kriegsspiel » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:50 am

BRUTE wrote:crazy idea: what if humans don't usually have well thought-out reasons for their actions and just wing it, including how many kids to have?
crazy idea: Abortion rights not only guaranteed, but REQUIRED for all first time pregnancies.

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Re: Convince me that I should have children.

Post by ShriekingFeralHatred » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:17 pm

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Re: Convince me that I should have children.

Post by BRUTE » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:51 pm

Dragline wrote:Works great on population control so long as "winging it" is equal opportunity.
turns out the free market is best at figuring out the right population size. who would've thought.

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Re: Convince me that I should have children.

Post by C40 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:41 am

BRUTE wrote:
Dragline wrote:Works great on population control so long as "winging it" is equal opportunity.
turns out the free market is best at figuring out the right population size. who would've thought.
Through famine, pestilence, and now climate change?

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Re: Convince me that I should have children.

Post by jacob » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:28 am

@C40 - Economists refer to that as "demand destruction". I am not making this up.

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Re: Convince me that I should have children.

Post by BRUTE » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:39 am

C40 wrote:
BRUTE wrote:
Dragline wrote:Works great on population control so long as "winging it" is equal opportunity.
turns out the free market is best at figuring out the right population size. who would've thought.
Through famine, pestilence, and now climate change?
through not one child policy

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Re: Convince me that I should have children.

Post by Dragline » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:03 am

BRUTE wrote:
Dragline wrote:Works great on population control so long as "winging it" is equal opportunity.
turns out the free market is best at figuring out the right population size. who would've thought.
Umm - no, that's not what I said at all and the data is decidedly against that notion. It's about equality of gender, regardless of the market system involved. Where there is no equality of gender, a free market system is likely to produce even more children as fuel for growth and as a substitute for social safety nets. This is why the lowest fertility rates are found in the socialist democracies of Europe and places like Cuba. (The only lower rates are found in small, crowded city-states or islands like Singapore or Macau). In the developed countries, higher fertility rates are found in places with more open markets like the U.K. and U.S., or in France where they essentially pay people to have children. Highest fertility rates are found in countries with lots of poverty and gender inequality.

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