I bought a big gas guzzling suv, and I love it.

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Post by Mikeallison » Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:42 pm

ffj,

Nice! 70 series? Do you know what happened to it after you sold it? It might still be running around today, they are tough, and people tend to take care of them. Mine is a bit of a cream puff compared to that old work horse, but I I've grown to like the creature comforts.

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Post by Freedom_2018 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:03 pm

jennypenny wrote:
Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:44 am
@freedom -- What kind of off-roading are you planning on? I drive an '06 Highlander Hybrid and I love it. The gas mileage is much better than a traditional SUV. The third seat folds down to make sleeping easier although I'd probably go with an SUV tent set-up myself. It's not going to climb rocky hillsides but it can go off-pavement with no problems.

In my dreams, I'd want a hybrid Xterra. Maybe Nissan will resurrect the model when they go all electric.
From what I have seen on YouTube videos, offroading seems to come in the following flavors:

1. Overlander type : Well appointed and expensive rig setup, all the bells and whistles and satphone etc...ready to take over a small African nation or drive through Jurassic Park.

2. Guys doing stupid stuff: My Jeep is better than your truck..I dare you to...often fueled by some alcoholic libations ...these are fun videos to watch sometimes but they are clearly abusing their vehicles ...focus is on yeehaw and not on offroading skills.

3. Weekend warrior: Regular people having some fun with their everyday driver.

4. Moab rock crawler: Will not be satisfied till finally they can climb the face of El Capitan in Yosemite.

5. Alternative Lifestyle Person: Has freed themselves from the matrix or conversely has almost no resources and spends large amounts of time boondocking in the desert..away from prying eyes.

So I would like to do some combination of 1,3,5 but with a fairly stock rig. Maybe 4 once my rig is depreciated enough that I don't care...for now it will be a replacement for my Honda civic so also my only daily driver.

Ultimately, I'm more interested in the journey/adventure than the vehicle. So anything that can do the job without costing much (upfront, running, insurance etc) and be reliable enough (Land Rovers are out) to not break down on me 50 miles from nowhere, is acceptable. I would also aim to increase my vehicle tinkering knowledge obviously.

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Post by Freedom_2018 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:12 pm

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCLL44RCPuw8XIslZBB8jf6A

This guy seems to have some very interesting videos.

(I'm wasting time watching 4wd porn instead of finishing up my Camino Santiago presentation that I told my partner I would be helping her with:)

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Post by enigmaT120 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:53 am

I like my '81 Toyota 4x4 pickup (20 mpg), but try not to drive it unless I really can't get my gas sipper Honda out my driveway due to snow, or if I'm hauling stuff like my kayak or bicycle. Like, 18" of snow and I still have to commute to work. I thought I would need it today (working a 12 hour night shift) but the rain melted the snow down enough I was able to get my Insight out. Not sure if I'll make it back up my driveway tomorrow morning but I'll worry about that then.

I don't care about the ride. Noise, bumpy, I just don't care, that truck will get me where I need to go. Having said that, when i finish restoring my '58 Chevy Napco half ton pickup (17 mpg), I'll sell that Toyota down the river. I don't like SUVs because they get worse gas mileage than my pickups, and won't haul as much stuff as my pickups.

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Post by Sclass » Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:52 am

Oh yeah,
“It’s the power of love!”

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Post by ffj » Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:53 am

@Mike

Yeah, 70 series, but man did I love the look of the 40 series. Everything about these trucks was about serviceability and accessibility.

It wasn't mine to sell, but I have no doubt that it is still running and operational.

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Post by OTCW » Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:09 pm

Sclass wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:52 am
"Two coats of wax Biff."

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Post by George the original one » Sun Mar 25, 2018 5:19 pm

Mikeallison wrote:
Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:30 pm
I haven't been sold on CVT yet, but I would love to "test drive" one of those and see what it could do! Is there a way to shut off traction control off road? I can see that causing problems.
Little button to turn it off is on the Outback's center console, along with the descent/climb button that switches to low range for the CVT. Subaru's advice is to leave the traction control turned on until you have trouble with traction and then you turn it off. There's also a hillholder brake feature that I can never remember how to operate.

CVT is quite nice to drive. The only drawback I've found is that you can't make a quick launch, but if you're already rolling, then it's a bit faster for acceleration than rowing through manual gears.

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Post by bryan » Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:57 pm

It would be really fun to compare the "cars of ERE" with the "cars of X" (even to MMM folks). Fun to judge a person by their car :P

I imagine ERE folks picking the right tool for the job. For a transportation and PF goal, at the basic level you buy the cheap used car with decent mileage and repair-ability that you can re-sell in 7 years for about the same price. Another level might be finding/buying a "better" car in need of simple repair that you do yourself (and can re-sell in 7 years for >buy+parts price). I imagine many prefer pre-2000s pickup trucks for the utility. Maybe you have a lust for a specific car and just had to buy it (e.g. 510, 240z, 300zx, 2002, etc). Myself, I have a cargo van. I've never sold a car for less than I've bought it.

Would be pretty rare for one of us to buy new, I think. An electric/hybrid car may be an exception, assuming the car battery would be used for more than just driving?

As for guilty pleasures, I was going to say I don't sweat (though frugality is pretty ingrained) purchases like going out for coffee, beers, food, or trips etc too much; but I don't think they qualify. Now that I think about it I can't really recall any "guilty" (or overspending in general) purchases. Looking around at my possessions and transaction logs, the only thing that stands out is my bicycle (which I bought new about 7 years ago and have ridden it "less" (didn't actually do the math) than the $50 bike I bought 5 years ago).

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Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:21 am

George the original one wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 5:19 pm
here's also a hillholder brake feature that I can never remember how to operate.
Ugghh, I had a Forester with the hill holder and I hated it. It would randomly engage, very annoying. And unnecessary, since you can do the same thing with the hand brake.

I hate new technology.

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Post by George the original one » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:31 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:21 am
George the original one wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 5:19 pm
here's also a hillholder brake feature that I can never remember how to operate.
Ugghh, I had a Forester with the hill holder and I hated it. It would randomly engage, very annoying. And unnecessary, since you can do the same thing with the hand brake.

I hate new technology.
No handbrake on modern cars now. You get an electrically operated parking brake.

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Post by 7Wannabe5 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:18 pm

I ride the City of Detroit bus system to work, but my Sugar-Daddy sometimes borrows something fresh off the assembly line and drives me around. The vehicle he had last week had fully artificial GUI on rear view mirror and back-up screen. He yelled at me because I was squatting down in the parking lot at Walmart trying to figure out where the cameras were.

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Post by Kriegsspiel » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:26 pm

GTOO... can't tell if serious.

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Post by George the original one » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:26 pm

Seriously, there is no longer a handbrake in most cars now.

"Tesla and Koenigsegg cars don’t even have the little electronic flap-button. Instead, the cars automatically engage the parking brake when the driver places the vehicle in park." https://www.web2carz.com/autos/everythi ... ar-forever

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Post by Kriegsspiel » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:00 am

Well, yea. I'm talking about manual transmissions.

EDIT I guess that wasn't clear. I'm talking about starting a stick shift on a hill.

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Post by George the original one » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:18 am

Manual transmissions are going away, too. Floppy paddle shifters are just automatics in disguise.

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Post by Mikeallison » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:17 am

George the original one wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:18 am
Manual transmissions are going away, too. Floppy paddle shifters are just automatics in disguise.
This will be a sad day for me. They are a pain in stop and go traffic, but they are the best if you are out driving for the sake of driving.

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Post by chenda » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:35 pm

@mileallison Manuals are still the norm in Europe. I'd not heard of a hill holder before, though I remember spending hours mastering hill clutch control when I learnt to drive.

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Post by bryan » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:49 pm

Have to treat my Sprinter's automatic like a manual on the San Francisco hills. Use my e-brake and select to 1st, 2nd, reverse as needed: Image)

I've never had a problem with manuals (e.g. stop and go). Then again, I make a large effort to never sit in traffic (picking times to leave/arrive, prefer walking/biking, avoiding ever braking while in traffic). The only thing I can think of that was a pain was trying to text and drive or talk and drive... even after mastering shifting with the side of my hand (mostly between neutral, 1st, or 2nd).

Manual transmissions have never really been a thing in the US (during my life-time, at least).. is there a specific niche that has been moving to automatics (e.g. paddle shifters mentioned, so maybe rallycross, street racing cars? I think trucks already transitioned away from manual decades ago).

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Post by enigmaT120 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:03 pm

My Insight is a 2004 (very modern to me) and it has a 5 speed manual. But I know the later Insights didn't have that option. Doesn't matter, after I retire I'll probably just have my '58 Chevy Napco and my old motorcycles. No automatics there.

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Post by SavingWithBabies » Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:00 pm

@Mikeallison I lusted after a Landcruiser but I bought one of the other Toyota SUVs. I get a solid 15mpg or so on the highway. Before this vehicle, I only had sedans and station wagons. The Toyota has a V8, 4WD, tons of seating, decent tow capacity and it is just one serious road trip vehicle. I don't use it to commute -- I'd probably not enjoy it that much for that. But I love driving it. It is so comfortable and it makes me slow down (just feels wasteful to drive it aggressively). I originally bought it for the towing capacity but now I love it. It is a California model with a 135k miles and I plan on getting at least another 100k out of it.

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Post by Mikeallison » Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:12 pm

SavingWithBabies wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:00 pm
@Mikeallison I lusted after a Landcruiser but I bought one of the other Toyota SUVs.
What did you end up with? A sequoia? I've always been curious how those compare to the land cruiser, they are very similar on paper. Even the engine is the same.
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Post by SavingWithBabies » Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:16 pm

@ Mikeallison Yes, I ended up with a Sequoia. I didn't really start out with that in mind but after cross shopping Landcruisers, 4Runners, Sequoias and the equivalent from American brands, it seemed like the Sequoia was the best bet (in terms of actually being available locally in good shape for a decent price). It's an older one so it's smaller than the current Sequoia but I think bigger than current 4Runner or about the same (but with 3 rows of seating or 8 full seats). We've actually used that capacity while on family holidays to say go pick someone up from the bus terminal. I'm also really happy with the 4WD -- it's not as fancy/specialized as the Landcruiser and some 4Runners but it definitely works well on roads/highways in midwest snowstorms. Our families are spread out and we almost always end up doing at least one big winter road trip. It's definitely doable with a smaller FWD vehicle but it is much nicer with the Sequoia. To me, it's a luxury I'm really happy we have.

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Post by Mikeallison » Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:03 pm

SavingWithBabies,

Sounds like we are on the same page, but my commute is so short I don't mind using mine as a daily. It's amazing how similar they look, I still occasionally mistake the sequoias for another landcruiser.

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Post by SavingWithBabies » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:16 pm

To be honest, I thought I'd never really post too much about it here because it doesn't seem quite FI/ERE related. I needed a vehicle to tow when we moved from California back to the midwest. I could have rented something (well, I did rent a trailer) but I wanted a road trip vehicle for the midwest too. And renting a vehicle that can tow to go one way on that long a trip gets expensive.

The more I read about the reliability of the that Toyota V8 along with the rest of the drivetrain, the more it made sense. I paid a bit high but in California not as many 4WD and demand was high. So it was about $14k with taxes. I was willing to overpay to get one when I needed and avoid the rusty frame issue. The two big problem areas seem to be the rusty frame (there is a whole recall on it) and rear air suspension (I got a model without it). I didn't want to buy new or newer because of how expensive these vehicles are and I wasn't sure I wanted an SUV. But now I'm sold.

Our other car is a hybrid so it kind of balances out in a way.

And the total cost of ownership of the SUV I ended up with seems reasonable for what I'm getting. I can take the risk on an older vehicle without much fear due to savings. There are some potential issues that can be expensive (traction control ecu, mines good so far) and maintenance (timing belt, I'll probably do this myself along with water pump and all of that).

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