Reep's Tiny House Dilemma

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Maintenance. Which is an entire department here full of overworked and underpaid people, but I bribe the one who seems most helpful in various ways and generally get my problems addressed fairly quickly.

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3. Reep doesn't care if your feedback is on topic
Ok, this is actually on topic, cuz you mentioned you don’t want a loft bed, but it’s separate from the current discussion on condensation.

What’s your plan for the bed? I’m curious and have some experience.

My living setup is 2 people in a studio apartment, and the bed takes a huge chunk of it.

If you’re building—would you install a Murphy bed?

Since I can’t build here and I move often, I’ve considered a Japanese shikibuton. But I fear the size wouldn’t be for me. However, at your stated height, it might be paradise for you. Since you have high humidity (like Japan does) you need to pick up and air out the shikibuton every day.

Fumio Sasaki recommends a brand whose name I forget, but I’ve found on Amazon before. They fold easily and look well made, but I have not seen one in person. Anyway, I’d check out his book and look up the thing.

I said “bed” but we do sleep on the floor, on some excellent expedition mats that are light and portable, and join together to form a queen size, but it’s a pain to break down the bedding and put away and reassemble the stuff every day, so right now we leave the mats on the floor with blankets and cushions etc. Hence, “bed.” We’ll be adding a rug to make it more of a “bedroom” instead of clearing the space. Maybe some day we’ll get an actual bed, but I don’t know/ don’t know if necessary.

Since we live in a highly walkable area, and the building has some common areas, we don’t really need the floorspace for much else. But I’m always looking out for options, so I thought we could swap ideas about this.

Ok! I hope some of this is useful... If not, thanks for letting me think outloud.

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J_ wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:54 am
@riggerjack and I advised @reepicheep how to make a condensor to avoid moisture in house. I had a same issue in the stairs to the attic. I used these end of year days to build a simple condenser. I removed a little window and replaced it with an insulated panel and a 2 yards long metal pipe of one inch diameter on the outside of the panel. In the cool evening air in winter here it is about freezing temperature. Inside I reused a pc ventilator and a funnel to blow air through the outside "cooling" pipe. The dried air and the condensed water (gravity) come out at the underside of the panel. The ventilator is powered by a reuseable little power pack of 5 Ah 5 DC (LiPo). It last more than five nights before I have to upload the battery again. After the same five nights I have to empty the bottle which catches the condensed water. See:
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Clic on the photo to see the full picture
I hope too that this is useful for your RV or your future tiny house. I reposted this because I think it is better situated here.

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@J_, Thanks so much, this is super cool. Looks very doable. You removed the entire window, like the glass is gone? Or you fit the panel in against the window?

Turns out, once I got leaky filter on the water pump fixed, everything else I'd already done was more than capable of dealing with the condensation. I periodically run the bathroom fan (with all the doors/windows closed) on "air exit" mode and between that, the dehumidifers, and a basically constant use of the space heater, I've not had many lingering problems. A little bit of condensation on the windows in the morning, and I had to move one dehumidifer into the space under the bed, but at least what I can see looks fine. I still have some trouble with moisture under the mattress, but a buddy is getting rid of a paneled wooden platform he was using underneath a bed and we're cutting it down to work for the space I have.

@Alphaville, I do actually own a custom-built murphy bed and was considering using it in the Tiny House. That could still be an option down the road if I decide I don't want to sleep in a loft anymore, though It might be difficult to move it through a TH front door (maybe not, as long as the door is a standard size). However, I went and visited a TH in Bend and hung out inside of it. They'd built floating stairs up to a loft and my dog just climbed right up, so I reconsidered the loft idea. Present plan is to build storage stairs to get some use out of that space. The house I visited had a neat little six inch platform built underneath the mattress, which lifted up on spring-loaded hinges to reveal several feet of storage space. I like that and will probably incorporate it with a paneled (instead of plywood) platform to increase airflow under the mattress. The guy who lives next to me in a TH he built himself has a lofted bed and, despite that and a woodstove, just built a platform to deal with moisture problems under his mattress.

Given the ongoing moisture battle, I am not sure if a shikibuton would be better or worse for my situation. I'm hoping to be able to build something that removes the need for lifting/propping up the mattress every day (which is what I am currently doing, with a full-sized regular mattress).

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Yes, I fit the panel against the window in the frame, so in spring when temperature rises, I put the window in again until next winter.

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reepicheep wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:15 pm

@Alphaville, I do actually own a custom-built murphy bed and was considering using it in the Tiny House. That could still be an option down the road if I decide I don't want to sleep in a loft anymore, though It might be difficult to move it through a TH front door (maybe not, as long as the door is a standard size). However, I went and visited a TH in Bend and hung out inside of it. They'd built floating stairs up to a loft and my dog just climbed right up, so I reconsidered the loft idea. Present plan is to build storage stairs to get some use out of that space. The house I visited had a neat little six inch platform built underneath the mattress, which lifted up on spring-loaded hinges to reveal several feet of storage space. I like that and will probably incorporate it with a paneled (instead of plywood) platform to increase airflow under the mattress. The guy who lives next to me in a TH he built himself has a lofted bed and, despite that and a woodstove, just built a platform to deal with moisture problems under his mattress.

Given the ongoing moisture battle, I am not sure if a shikibuton would be better or worse for my situation. I'm hoping to be able to build something that removes the need for lifting/propping up the mattress every day (which is what I am currently doing, with a full-sized regular mattress).
To my understanding, a shikibuton requires periodic hanging in the sunlight to keep it dry, like this:

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Apparently a popular sight in Japan.

The good thing is that a shikibuton is not heavy and unwieldy like the typical American futon that goes into those frames people use in college. It’s a different sort of thing really.

But it sounds like a loft + platform would solve all of your problems with a bit of construction.

ETA: HOWEVER... maybe a shikibuton could solve your unwieldy mattress problem *right now*

this is fumio sasaki’s (finally found it)

can’t post the photo (too big) so here’s the article that features it (scroll down) https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/ ... inimalism/
or...
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3 ... 840610.jpg

ETA,A: here you can see the thing at the bottom of the closet

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[apparently i quoted myself instead of editing and now can’t find a delete post button]

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