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@peterlimberg I'm not sure if you've read "What's our Problem" yet, but your FoV and QoVirtue seem to be in alignment with Tim Urban's (of fame of the "wait but why" blog) "idea labs" and "genies". To do some idea bodging: friends of virtue create "idea ...

Is it fair to say that this approach may be complimentary to process of finding novel premises or claims? In that if you are looking to guard your premises then presumably you have already found the approximate or appropriate truth for your temperament. Strategically weakening it may be akin to nav...

This "Quibblers of Virtue” phrase is staying with me; I’ll riff on it in a way that I hope informs how we can be friends of virtue here … A distinction: Quibblers of Vice vs Quibblers of Virtue. Quibblers of Vice are why I do not post much on intellectual forums. These people (aka men) pick on ...

Quibblers :lol: I love this term. I hereby bestow all quibblers in this thread the title of "Quibblers of Virtue" A simple but complete framework to describe "community = a unified group of people" is Cipolla + Spiral. Cipolla is a superset of Aristotle. To translate: Intelligen...

To jam my views into your model, solid individuals (dividuals?) would be the subatomic particles of the relationship atom, or halves of the dyad. It doesn't seem like normies/muggles/blue pillers/consumer suckas are going to have the capacity to be a friend of virtue (hence terrible communities), s...

As I understand it, the whole idea of ERE2 came about as part of Jacob's analysis of and experience with many groups and why they fail. So many people start groups without having done any thinking about why and how almost all previous attempts to create some new amazing form of group fail. People h...

Wait... why? Also, @peterlimberg, how do you define a sociopath? I do not have a clear why yet, but a sense, and I like @AxelHeyst's guess, which I'll respond to in a moment. Re: sociopath. “Sociopath is an amorphous word with no consensus definition. It is often associated with “antisocial persona...

@daylen Yes, therefore I asked Peter to disconnect ERE2 from "terrible communities". Being clear and understandable for people is a goal of philosophers, I think. If it was not clear before, let it be clear now: I did not make the claim that ERE2 = terrible communities if that is what you...

7Wannabe5 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:04 pm

IOW, the monastery and the harem are just two sides of the same coin.

Care to elaborate?

7Wannabe5 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:54 pm

then the individual/node who "trades" in many virtues of similar "value" will carry the most influence.

My sense as well.

It seems to me that the most likely path to a game B world involves going through a partial deglobalization shock before perhaps a gradual reintegration of more inclusive scopes. Though, perhaps not so gradual given the persistence and momentum of the cultural evolution leading up to now. I do not ...

Whether it's webs of goals or webs of practice, they're just the inversion of each other. If you invert the goal perspective, you get the practice perspective. If you invert the practice perspective, you get the goal perspective. If you tell me what someones practice is, I'll tell you their likely ...

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Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:45 am

It feels like ‘friends[hips]’ and ‘communities’ are being used interchangeably. Is that the intention? Friendship=community?

When I write about friendships of virtue, I am actually thinking of a dyad. So, I am currently seeing friends of virtue as the relational atom of a community of virtue.

Thanks, @Slevin and @AxelHeyst. Amazing replies. Per @AxelHeyst suggestion, I'll be using the acronyms WoG and EoP (ecology of practices) henceforth, mainly to respect the historical use of the latter. Also, something conceptually significant with the "web" and "ecology" distinct...

Another thought... Someone described ERE2 here as "It's what happens when some critical mass of people come together and individual WoGs interrelate with each other. You might think of it as a WoG of WoGs." Has there been any discussion here about WoPs, aka "web of practices," or...

Hey all, This is Peter from The Stoa. I am popping my head in. I have not been here in a while and am getting a sense of what ERE2 is. It seems to be the seed Jacob planted in his second Stoa talk. I have been writing about "terrible communities" recently, which might relate to the ERE2 di...

jennypenny wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 03, 2023 7:32 am

Is Peter Limberg (Stoa/Less Foolish) a forumite? He wrote a piece this week about communities.

Hey.

Really looking forward to this session tomorrow! I hope to see the ERE fam there. Btw, here is a symposium we had at The Stoa on the meta-crisis back in March: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoZ5e3aD_LuRZID2Ycuwpd5gCNt3YTRIE ps. Peterson might be visiting The Stoa in October. I'll ask him wh...

I did a recent workshop on mental models for Rebel Wisdom's "Becoming a Live Player" course. We mention this book a few times. Here it is: https://youtu.be/jDem_2Npm_I In the workshop we discussed three failure modes of the mental model approach: creating jargon salads (aka sounding preten...

I found The Stoa through Jacob's link, and Peter your shit is blowing my mind. I've already used the term "stoicpunk" in conversation a couple times, completely inappropriately, just because I wanted to feel what it sounded like. Hahaha. I love it. And that is an awesome skill, e.g. creat...

I have lost my tolerance for ongoing superficialness, transactionalness, unquestioning joint delusion. If that’s all there is, better to be alone more. It does seem that when one is owned by a job/debt/status/needs and wants and goals, friends of virtue are worthless. If one tries to develop deeper...