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Okay, a couple examples: The kind of garden variety* bad sex that might occur at the intersection of Level 3: Masturbation and Level 4: Dependent Sex would be one partner up in their head thinking about a personal fantasy/something they watched on PornHub and the other partner just willing/consentin...

It's going to be difficult for me to do that and that's also not quite what I meant. The insights I've gained from non-monogamy have changed my sexuality* less than my relationship perspective. Although for both it was more like gaining language and an ethical framework for how I felt rather than s...

I think thefox offered some very good suggestions. I would add that one potential problem with personalized frugal dating is that it can be easy to veer too "domestic." Maybe this is just me, but if I'm on a second or third date with a guy, and he's going to cook me dinner at his place, an...

@ertyu: Good question. My first note would be that much of the vocabulary that will be necessary to further this discussion was emergent of either the LGBTQIA community and/or the Kink community. In our culture a high-functioning, vanilla, heterosexual couple could potentially arrive at Level 6 toge...

Purpose of thread being the collaborative creation of WL Table relevant to the realm of sexuality (as opposed to permaculture/ecology or personal finance/ERE.) I also hope that the creation of a third such table may be towards the purpose of better enabling the application of the model to other real...

maybe you've falling off of the great chain of change. Or perhaps the great change of being. Yes, that's it. Like a Teletubby who DIY'd herself a pair of wax wings out of crayon nubbins and popsicle sticks and then had to release all 3 of her cellophane candy wrapper parachutes before landing "...

Believing in a task that is greater than the ego or personally fun fulfillment. They have a purpose greater than themselves. Gotcha. So, for example, creating a model of a frugal lifestyle that other humans might actually copy because it seems like it might actually be fun could be towards fulfilli...

No, for most creative people, it really is money. This is why artists, scientists, or anyone whose contributions can't easily be commercialized tend to end up "serving fries with that" or spend much of their lifetime trying to source it from rich people asking for grants, etc. Sorry. I wa...

Sexual Wheaton Levels discussion moved to its own thread.

To go from a low cost of living to a very low cost of living, ~10k, you have to think about money a lot less than normies do. Yes, this is because thinking about and developing any other form of capital will more than likely lead to decreased expenses or osmotic cash flow as secondary effect. HOWEV...

In particular, even fewer do it in an informed way seeking good consequences. I'm thinking of the stereotypical spiritual bypassers who figure they're going to reinvent themself on a farm in Nepal and thus cash out their 401k only to crash and burn. Next year, they're off to art school, except they...

@jacob: Gotcha. That makes sense. Being a fully functional conventional (or unconventional) homemaker requires mostly a mix of objective and inter-subjective skills. So homemakers often suffer from either a lack of subjective (care for self as opposed to others) functioning or a lack of inter-object...

I ended up here through a link from some stock broker's blog, I think. Newly free from a spendy ex, and bringing in salaryman money for the first time ever, I knew I had to invest to get ahead. Interesting. Very much like IllinDave (INFJ)s path. You were likely very much in your masculine energy in...

At this point, the focus changes more from the "outer work" of understanding how the world works---that's the key challenge of WL6 and WL7 to the "inner work" and understanding how _you_ work. What makes you happy/content/satisfied? What is a meaningful existence for you. What i...

Well, in my first marriage which lasted 20 years (or from conception of first child to maturity of second child), I was in charge of the finances, the plans, the kids, the house, medical, projects, travel, food/cooking, etc. etc. My ex was in charge of handing me his paycheck every two weeks and con...

@ducknald_don: Yes, I agree that it very much depends on how you layer the spreadsheets. I also didn't mean to lob the term "naive" directly at you. We've all had these same muddled thoughts. Here's what occurs to me when Level Green notion that "Money is Evil" is dismissed as na...

@ducknald_don: Yes, but this is taking the naive conservative perspective that established businesses are efficient solid producers of needful goods (as opposed to bloated monopolistic whales) while new businesses are likely to be only bringing shiny gin-crackery to market. The majority of businesse...

someone has to do the 2dollars worth of impact at some point, to make the money to buy the product. Yes, but eventually it comes down to the material reality that humans have to eat and keep themselves warm. For example, extremely poor subsistence farmers and hunters are also capable of doing extre...

Another model in which investment in the stock market can be regarded as neutral would be based on Donella Meadows' system description of a corporation. The overt mission statement of a corporation is pretty much just bull-shit, because a corporation can't survive (for very long) without profits. Ho...

There are a number of scholarly articles on the topic of Green Libertarianism. The notion that all humans should have equal CO2 dumping rights, for example, is debated within this political framework. Obviously, the de facto status quo is that your consumption and dumping rights are pretty much equi...