ducknalddon wrote:steveo73 wrote:Everyone needs to calm down and start applying scientific reasoning and facts to this discussion.
Yes, you do need to.
I think it'd be good if you actually tried to dispute the science of this topic rather than turn it into a political debate.
Do you have any points that are different from the standard body of science on this topic ? Do you have a verifiable proven theory of climate that you can model and use to predict future temperatures ? If so I think you are a genius because no climatologist has been able to crack that nut yet.
If you have I am honestly very impressed and I'm wondering why I haven't heard your theory. If not then you are just another drone in a line of drones that are too caught up in a political issue to construct rational scientific points that can be debated. If you are a drone like that then you should probably use this thread to learn about the science of AGW rather than being so stupidly confident that you are right.
Debate facts. Show science. Use reason. Consider me not a denialist but someone who is extremely well educated on this subject and has come to an informed conclusion based on facts. If you are so sure you are right it should be so easy to prove me wrong. If not then what you are stating is just meaningless dribble.
I'll categorise where we are at for you again:-
1. The greenhouse effect is a natural effect on Earth.
2. A greenhouse gas that has minimal impact on the greenhouse effect is CO2.
3. The earth has been warming for about 200 years.
4. Humans have released into the atmosphere a minimal amount of CO2 compared to natural CO2 within the environment.
5. CO2 within the Earth's atmosphere has been significantly higher.
6. The Earth's temperatures have been significantly hotter and cooler than what they are today.
7. Statistical models have been produced that state that increased CO2 leads to significant temperature rises primarily due to feedback mechanisms.
8. No one has been able to prove that these feedback mechanisms exist as per the models predictions.
9. The models aren't working well at all. They are at the lower boundary of statistical relevance (getting close to the 5% level). This is despite the increased warming over the last two years.
10. No scientist with any idea that uses the scientific method believes in any of the alarmist BS that the political morons keep shoving down our throats. I'm calling this a done deal now. It's over. It's debunked.
If you have any proof of anything different to these points let me know. I'm always interested in learning some more.