Trump - Clown Genius

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby Tyler9000 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:35 pm

theanimal wrote:What are people's thoughts here with regards to the electoral college vote tomorrow? .


Most likely Trump will win the EC exactly as designed, prompting grieving Dems to finally move past the bargaining stage.

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby subgard » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:52 pm

I think I should clarify. My analysis was a description of just Trump, not his supporters. Trump is quite a bit different critter than most people.

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby subgard » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:17 pm

Steveo wrote:
I think BPD is bullshit. Maybe better put you can diagnose way too many people as suffering from this.


Mental illnesses are any mental condition that cause a person to be dysfunctional. While "dysfunctional" is a bit subjective, there are people that "split" so much that they can not function at all in daily life. Those are the people that would be diagnosed with an actual mental disorder.

subgard wrote:
But, most splitters develop coping mechanisms. They become addicted to various "supplies" which prevent them from feeling flawed.
Histrionic supply is attention. If people are paying attention to them, they must be worth something, not bad, or flawed.
Narcissistic supply is admiration, or a feeling of superiority. Obviously, a superior person is not flawed.
Psychopathic supply is control, or making others do things they don't want to, or make others feel an emotion they would rather not.



I don't believe this. I think that normal human reactions get developed into these psychological issues when it's normal.

Basically I think you can't label it if it's normal.


Most mental disorders are normal functioning features that get exaggerated into dysfunction. But you do have a point. Most histrionics, narcissists, and psychopaths are fairly functional. Many of them usually cause more problems for other people than they cause for themselves.
The reason I explained about the underlying splitting of these people is you need to have ways of detecting them before they wreak havoc in your life (or your political system. Too late for that, I guess.)

So, I really don't care if it's a mental disorder, a character flaw, or just part of normal human behavior. These people do exist, they do cause problems, and I like to be able to identify them before they get too close.

My interest in Trump's personality is more curiosity than political partisanship. I've witnessed characters like him close up in real life, and it's interesting to see him displaying these traits very obviously and publicly.

Politically, I think he will simply be very ineffective, because his primary goal will be causing conflict in order to get attention and feel powerful. And he won't be in conflict with the Democrats. Characters like Trump cause the most problems for the people who are closest to them.
So, the people who will have headache after headache are:
1. People in his own administration.
2. The Republicans in Congress. Trump won the primaries by being in almost open warfare with Republican leadership. He's currently pretending to be nice with them in order to get their help in building his administration. My prediction: After January 20th, McConnell and Ryan are going to feel very backstabbed.

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby TimeTravel » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:20 pm

I cringe at Trump's bromance with Putin.

Come Jan 20th, the USA becomes a second class country to Putin. Putin sees the world as a chessboard and Trump a willing pawn.

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby black_son_of_gray » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:41 am

black_son_of_gray wrote:
Ego wrote:Both the DNC and the RNC got hacked. Only the DNC data was released. For some strange reason they withheld the RNC data.

I was thinking about that yesterday. Here's my thought: If 1) I had dirt on both DNC and RNC, and 2) wanted to influence control, I would first leak one side to tip the election... I would still have my dirt on the winner, who takes over. Then once the winner assumes office, I blackmail them with the remainder of the dirt.

Two step process, doesn't really matter which way you go with it, although choosing to blackmail the politically naive one would be easier.


Oh snap!

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby ffj » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:44 am

I'm still waiting on the proof that the Russians hacked our election. Perhaps the New York Times and Buzzfeed and the like could spend some more time on that unsubstantiated claim before moving on to stories of golden showers, and perhaps actually require proof something occurred before reporting on it.

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby Spartan_Warrior » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:42 am

Great time to be in the billionaire golden shower erotica business. Finally Trump is boosting some markets I can actually use. :twisted:

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby Riggerjack » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:57 pm

GAWD that was a bad article. How many ways can you say unsubstantiated claims while speculating about a super-secret, well known, unverified, document paid for by the DNC, and again by the Hillary campaign?

The Douche may have had sex with hookers? He may have been offered lucrative deals, that he then may have turned down? This is what you think he could be blackmailed by?

I know this is the NYT, the inventors of fake news (see Japanese death cult nukes Australia), but it's things like this that makes me wonder why people don't just go to the enquirer for their Trump bashing news.

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby Tyler9000 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:21 pm

If you believe other reports, the most salacious parts of the release were trolling by 4chan that a political strategist who hates Trump actually took seriously and passed on. Even if you don't believe those claims, many of the points in the "report" have already been proven false with minimum effort.

Honestly, I think Buzzfeed did Trump a favor. CNN made news by claiming that Russian intelligence had serious dirt on Trump while not actually providing details. By publishing the actual document, Buzzfeed showed just how flimsy it all was. Media credibility is truly a dumpster fire right now -- And we thought 2016 was crazy.

But I like Spartan Warrior's idea. Sounds like a goldmine! Clearly there's an audience.

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby Dragline » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:35 pm

Spartan_Warrior wrote:Great time to be in the billionaire golden shower erotica business. Finally Trump is boosting some markets I can actually use. :twisted:


Sounds like "Stick it Out" and "Syborg" from Frank Zappa's "Joe's Garage". "The golden shower has shorted out his master circuits . . ."

Qui gladio ferit, gladio perit.

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby Chad » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:52 pm

Well, Trump failed this test today. He is going to have some serious conflicts of interest by keeping his businesses. I'm very disappointed in that, but not surprised.

The positive is he talked down some drug/healthcare stocks I have been looking at.

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby Kriegsspiel » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:50 pm

Dragline wrote:
Spartan_Warrior wrote:Great time to be in the billionaire golden shower erotica business. Finally Trump is boosting some markets I can actually use. :twisted:


Sounds like "Stick it Out" and "Syborg" from Frank Zappa's "Joe's Garage". "The golden shower has shorted out his master circuits . . ."

Qui gladio ferit, gladio perit.


Qui pussy capto, pussy perit?

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby Dragline » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:04 pm

I believe that would "Qui vulvum carpe, vulvum perit," but I'm neither the Latin nor the vulvum expert in my household. :lol:

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby TimeTravel » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:45 pm

Trump dodged several questions. For example, when asked about how those currently on Obamacare would get guaranteed insurance after a quick repeal and replace, he pretty much started saying Obamacare is a disaster and he's going to replace with something much better, but didn't answer anything specific.

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby General Snoopy » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:40 pm

ffj wrote:...and perhaps actually require proof something occurred before reporting on it.

That would be called journalism. Journalism died a long time ago.

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby Dragline » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:37 pm

But double standards and hypocrisy are alive and well.

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby Gilberto de Piento » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:57 am

Something that really disappointed me lately is the the plagiarism by one of Trump's picks. Scroll down to "Accusations of Plagiarism": http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38526346. Monica Crowley the pick for Senior Director of Strategic Communications for the National Security Council turns out to be a prolific plagiarist. She has a popular book that is filled with plagiarism (see the link in the article I linked to), her dissertation contained lots of plagiarism (see link) and her articles are also copied (not covered in article). The evidence is really obvious and anyone could replicate the results by putting her material into something like plagspotter or comparing her book with the other sources cited.

It doesn't surprise me that there are people who plagiarize as I've caught two of them in professional settings. One was even a person who was being singled out for their great performance. What surprises me is that this is really clear cut evidence of disqualifying behavior and still not enough to get this person removed. In my opinion, any reasonable college would remove her from a professorial position or a position on an IRB or similar. The credentials that would get her a job (the dissertation, the book) are not deserved. How can this person be trusted on national security?

Instead, the administration circled the wagons and plans to stand by her. This has happened on a number of occasions in my local state as well. The governor appoints someone who later is found to be unqualified for some reason or gets in some ethics trouble and instead of cutting that person loose and saying "we're better than that", they double down.

Further, I can't seem to find any articles about the plagiarism on fox news: http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/search?q=monica+crowley&ss=fn or breitbart: http://www.breitbart.com/search/?s=monica+crowley. Maybe I'm doing it wrong. She works for both of them so it shouldn't be a surprise. I'm sure they're waiting it out.

Are there no longer any standards that we all share?

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby ffj » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:17 am

I couldn't find anything on Drudge either. But CNN, VOX, the hill, The Guardian, MSNBC, The daily beast, nydailynews, csmonitor, cbsnews, huffington post, business insider, usa today, fortune, aol, the blaze, press think, newsweek, jezebel, slate, washington examiner, red state, Salon, etc, etc, etc, have all covered the story. There are many more but you get the idea. So I don't think we are in any danger of not hearing about her plagiarism, or any other dirt on any of Trump's selections.

It's a good reminder though of how often all news outlets selectively cover what they want their audience to know and more importantly what they don't want you to be aware of. I always remind myself that all news outlets are extensions of corporations, and the corporations will dictate content. FOX, Brietbart, Drudge, The Federalist, etc, are not immune.

It will be interesting to see what happens with her and how Trump responds.

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby Riggerjack » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:46 pm

Forgive my ignorance, but the story here is that a political appointee is assumed to be less than honest?

Considering the job, that seems like a requirement. I mean, Senior Director of Strategic Communications for the National Security Council, seems like the sort of job you would want a good liar to hold.

If I were in the oval office, my concern would be that she doesn't seem to be a skilled enough cheater.

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby ffj » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:05 pm

@Gilberto
Here you go. The system seems to be working in her case.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... li=BBnb7Kz

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby ffj » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:46 pm

And for a fun comparison it has been announced that the Clinton Global Initiative is shutting down. Curious timing as it has been told to us for the past year that the contributions had nothing to do with access to power. :roll:

Anyway, check out all of the sites listed above that focused on the plagiarism case and compare how many are reporting on this story. Not many. However, Drudge, Fox, and Breitbart are all over it.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01 ... tions.html

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby Gilberto de Piento » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:58 pm

ffj wrote:@Gilberto
Here you go. The system seems to be working in her case.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... li=BBnb7Kz


That's good. I'm happy to see cheating is not rewarded. Also, you should know I would feel the same way if it was someone Obama appointed. I can't stand this kind of behavior.

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Re: Trump - Clown Genius

Postby JamesR » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:12 pm

https://avichal.wordpress.com/2016/11/1 ... waking-up/

The working, middle class has voted for change since 2008 and against Clinton (aka the establishment) consistently. They voted in 2008 for Obama against Clinton, in the 2016 primary for Sanders, and in 2016 they voted against the Republican establishment for Trump. They were very consistent that Clinton represents the system that screwed them in the first place and they do not believe she will radically change the system.


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