vexed's ERE journey from the very beginning!

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I also liked the fact that the plastic frames that I linked to are 98% recycled PVC from old window frames, not something that has many applications.

As I'm severely constrained in terms of the available space (and have no plans for a wood burner), I'm not sure that the cost savings would be all that great after wood/tools/stain.

Eureka! Why am I forgetting woodworking relative with huge tool stash? :D

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vexed87 wrote:just about wrapped up for the season.

The UK has quite a lot of possibility for winter gardening I believe. So you might be done with one season, but another is just beginning. :)

Nice job on the 56%, that isn't so bad. Not like May! :lol:

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@ydobon, You don't have to stain, from what I read just now it seems that it just stops the wood discolouring due to the moisture, soil and constant light. Staining offsetting decomposure provides only marginal gains, I think staining is more for cosmetics. You are better of buying woods which have been pressure treated so construction timbers for decking etc. Hardwood will last longer than the softwood, but it's more expensive.

Looks like square foot gardening is a good option for you. The author of this book reckons a single 1 x 1m bed will fulfill one person's daily salad needs per year, another box will meet all their additional veg needs for meals, plus one extra for preserving/canning which is ideal for getting you through crop failures.

So if you are not relying on canning/preserving and can source your veg elsewhere if you absolutely had to, 4 boxes could potentially feed two adults, you only need a 3.3 x 3.8 meter space (accounts for all pathways) like so:

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Being the conservative doomster that I am, I'm probably going for a garden more than double that, not because I'm greedy, but because it's good to have extra to trade, give away etc:

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cmonkey wrote:The UK has quite a lot of possibility for winter gardening I believe. So you might be done with one season, but another is just beginning. :)
Agreed, though I haven't committed any resources to building clotches, etc to rear seedlings through the frost, and with a move on the horizon I am struggling to justify sinking money into this garden plot. It's likely the house hunting starts this spring. I'm looking into low maintainance winter crops as I write this ;)
Nice job on the 56%, that isn't so bad. Not like May! :lol:
Thanks, it wasn't hard to improve on May haha! I think there is a good chance I could beat 75% in the next few months due to the accumulated pantry items! We shall see if I can keep away from amazon and book shops, a moratorium on booze and eating out would help too :)

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vexed87 wrote:You are better of buying woods which have been pressure treated so construction timbers for decking etc.
Whoa! You better investigate what they pressure treat the wood with and how it leaches into the soil and what effects that has. Old USA pressure treating was really toxic stuff, newer isn't as toxic, yet still not exactly friendly. I have no idea what they use in other countries.

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Good point, untreated wood with clear linseed oil coating it is ;)

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Thanks for the detail (that was the book I thought you were reading (go go Google powers!))

Our new garden is seriously tiny. Most of it will be reserved for fun stuff that you can't eat, like a lawn for children/my wife to play on :lol:

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@ydobon, if your missus need's her arm twisting...

http://www.treehugger.com/lawn-garden/h ... nutes.html

:lol:

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When I say 'lawn' I mean 'wee strip of grass at the side of the house'.

Children cannot burn off energy in the back garden when they trip over a raised bed or rainwater harvesting system every time they run 1m :P

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vexed87 wrote:@ydobon, if your missus need's her arm twisting...

http://www.treehugger.com/lawn-garden/h ... nutes.html

:lol:

So its YOUR fault we have so many lawns in the states! :lol: The British!

That was a great video...too bad all the folks growing a great crop of lawn won't see it.

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It's usually safe to blame the British ;)

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Mid November Update;

There is not a lot going on in the garden any more, I lost the motivation to try grow through the winter so the patch has been manured and is covered over with mulch for the winter. I'll start again early spring, I promise! SO and I have discussed our dreams of buying our first house, and given the wedding expenses faced recently, we are contemplating staying in our current residence for another year, on the bright side, I think I'll be prepared to invest a little more in the garden next year, also the extra savings will mean smaller mortage, win win.

Food expenses have dropped markedly since earlier in the year, we are consistently spending £75 per head per month now rather than £150. Baking our own bread almost daily, eating more rice and staples and beans has helped loads, and SO hasn't even noticed the difference in 'quality' of meals. SO used to say cutting back on food was never going to happen, she should not have let me take over the shopping then should she ;).

My savings rate technically dropped through the floor this month, in fact I spent slightly more than I earned. I'm chalking this down mostly to wedding expenses:

£30 each to give notice to our respective local council of our intent to marry (day light robbery!)
£200 for a musician
£200 for my wedding shoes - although these are Goodyear Welt soles and apparently can be resoled for life just like the infamous Hanwag boots, an investment in future office/smart wear.
£796 for SOs ring
£400 for mine - both are gold, hers with diamonds.

Technically, I could add the rings to my precious metals portfolio, but SO tells me under no circumstances am I to try and time market with our bands. ;)

That pretty much cleared my savings out this month, technically the shoes and rings were investments, those purchases aside, my savings rate would have been 75%. Damn! Also in other news, I didn't mention it in my last post but I bought my first gold bullion coin. It's purdy 8-). I'm a fan of the permanent portfolio, so it was an exciting moment, although the novelty has worn off now, and I have stopped taking out of the safe to look at it.

In other news, the boredom of my day job has set back in. I don't think I can use stoic principles to melt away the boredom, I need a new challenge.

I think I mentioned it before, but I've always dreamed of a career in freelance programming, so up to now I have haphazardly worked on building up a rudimentary knowledge of my first programming language, Python. Besides some simple programmes, I haven't accomplished a lot, but I'm dedicating a lot of my free time to reading about it and developing as much as I can in my spare time. I already have a good handle on the basics of HTML5 and CSS3, so I've recently decided to take a sideways step and I started learning the Javascript language instead , which feels much more like a natural progression. I'm not much the arty type, so I'm not sure how long front end web development could hold my interest, I'll probably get back to Python eventually.

I'm working on a couple of projects at the moment to gain more practical experience, I'm updating my Dad's website which is stuck in the early 00's with flashing gifs and non-responsive layout. also I'm working on an RSVP app for my wedding invitation website. After that I'll start a portfolio website to show off my work. It's hard to get excited about my day job anymore... most quite moments in the office are now spent learning more JS or reading about freelancing. I read a blog about some guy who have made the transition from their day job to entry level jobs in web development, 6-8 months after starting learning in their spare time. If I did this, I would take a slight pay cut, but nothing major, the alternative is to go straight to freelance which is a bit more intimidating for a newbie, we'll see. Not sure I can cope that long in my current job. But hey, I have savings now, so could quit at any time!

Plans over the comming months are to learn some more basics so I know enough to get an entry level job or take on basic dev work:

PHP5
MySQL
AJAX
GIT

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I'm curious, what sort of shiny coin did you opt for?

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One of these:
https://www.bullionbypost.co.uk/gold-co ... gold-coin/

Next time I'll likely buy some smaller denominations, or silver.

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Did you use BBP to purchase it?

I ask as Atkinsons also get a very good reputation and are a bit cheaper (£751.53 today vs. £758, a saving of 0.85%) - more money in your pocket.

I've a hunch that the savings will be better if you're looking at smaller coins as well, as there's typically a higher premium associated with these and more wiggle room for vendors to compete.

A very small quantity of gold at near 5 year lows does appeal, but I'm currently in the midst of a passing? fixed interest phase and gold has no yield! :)

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Congratulations on the wedding! Yay!

I had one of those Britannias from 1987, the first year they did them. As far as I recall, it cost over £300 at the time, so it would have only approximately doubled in price .. I don't know how that compares with the stock market, but it doesn't compare well with property prices. But I could be wrong about the original cost.

Anyway, I don't think that's the aim for most people buying gold. It's more to have something that will still hold its value if everything else goes tits up and other forms of money stop being worth anything at all. Think plague, full scale war, etc.

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Thanks heyhey. looking forward to it, I like a good party ;)

@Ydobon, thanks for the suggestion, I did buy at BBP, it was the best rate I could find at the time, I think there was 6% mark up over spot price at the time. I did find it 1% less elsewhere the next day, but wasn't too concerned because I won't be selling up any time soon.
heyhey wrote:Anyway, I don't think that's the aim for most people buying gold. It's more to have something that will still hold its value if everything else goes tits up...
This was initially my line of thinking, its true that gold has no yield but at least it doesn't fall in value over time like cash, it may fall in price in today's currency, but not value, 1 ounce, forever remains one ounce and gold has a good track record of keeping up with even the most inflated currencies over the last 5,000 years or so, even if it has lagged behind from time to time. The more I think about it, keeping 100% of savings in cash seems like a crazy bet that your currency will never drop wildly in value, this could happen within a period of weeks/months in the event of a financial crisis. There are lots of signs that one is right around the corner, I'm getting twitchy :D.

Obviously, gold wouldn't be a great bet if you rely on liquidating it in the worst of markets, or measure you investment returns in dividends... although I think it has some nice perks, I recommend this piece on why we are likely to see $20,000/ounce gold in our lifetime, get your popcorn out, it's a long one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO2spBhcucg

Unfortunately, I'm not in long term savings mode yet as I need to put cash down on a house so the amount I can risk in PM investing is small, therefore the tiny amount of gold I own is just in case SHTF in the next year or two, though if gold hit $20,000/troy ounce before things get bad (I bought mine at £758) I would promptly trade it for a stake on some fertile land. :lol:

The video explains you should stop thinking of gold in price, but rather in its value relative to other assets. Once you get your head around that, you can see why in a failing currency, your buying power might increase dramatically. $20,000/ounce gold is great if you can sell it, but who's going to have that cash during a deflationary event, and in Weimar Republic scenario, would you risk selling out in the wildest days of currency printing? No, best bet would be to trade gold for land/property/means of production directly.

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Anyway, I don't think that's the aim for most people buying gold. It's more to have something that will still hold its value if everything else goes tits up and other forms of money stop being worth anything at all. Think plague, full scale war, etc.
Indeed, but that's my aim at this point, so what I need my money to do and what gold does are currently at odds with each other.

Had a passing flirtation with silver philharmonics for a while, but then realised that I was a) buying shiny for shiny's sake and b) that I was being a doomer.

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Finances:

I haven't uploaded any charts in a while because tracking expenses in excel sucks on my Macbook Air, I was regularly experiencing severe stuttering and the programme was constantly crashing, I think Microsoft have neglected their software for on OS X I wonder why :lol: However I have discovered Google Sheets operates without stuttering and doesn't crash at all, so here's an overdue update on my financials:

Edit: Thought it might be worth mentioning that SO and I don't combine finances yet, and SO is far better at saving than I am with a higher income too, so bear in mind this is only part of our household financial picture. The food budget below however is for both of us.

Here's my latest monthly budget, this is a best case scenario with my after tax/student loan deducted income of £1616.16, it doesn't account for none budget items, which means I will never reach 81% savings rate, if I hit 60% I'm happy.
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Net worth dropped slightly last month due to wedding expenses plus stocking up on more emergency supplies/deep pantry goods, more on that below. Note my sole gold bullion coin is currently about 15% of liquid assets! The more I read about the economy, the more I feel like making that at least 25% :oops:
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I haven't had a chance to implement my pivot tables in Google Sheets to update my Expenses vs. Savings charts, so here's what I have to date. I hope my savings rate increases significantly this month as there should be no more major expenses for a few months. Honeymoon purchase is on the horizon, that won't be cheap... but maybe my last Holiday abroad for a long time. On the bright side, I'm heading to the USA! :D
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On resiliency:

I have been reflecting a lot books I've read recently, The Crash Course, Prosper!, Overshoot, Survival+ to name a few. I realise I experienced a lot of anxiety after reading The Crash Course, or rather, I realised my present situation was actually particularly precarious. Since then, I've got the finances sorted, all my debt is gone, I have a stable income, high savings rates etc, but all the money is worthless in time of crisis. I've taken the deliberate act of investing in highly useful/tangible assets that might not be available at any price in crisis.

Here's my deep pantry as of this weekend:

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In the two lower pictures you can see:
125 Litres of drinking water
40kg Rice
30kg Flour
5 x 12 tins Chopped Tomatoes
Canned meats, assorted pastas, jarred veggies.

This may look extreme to some, but actually, SO and I get through this quantity of food every 3-4 months, and without a car it means shopping for perishables is much more feasibile on bike. I'm considering upping my storage to a years worth of goods to compliment my vegetable growing next spring. The UK don't experience natural disasters that you see in the US, but I don't think we are a special case, we are just as likely to see disruption to energy markets/just in time delivery mechanisms which I think is high likely within the next 3-5 years.

This is how SO and I get through 15kg sacks of flour, we don't buy bread products any more, its all baked freshly at home, including wraps, speciality loafs, pita, naan etc, its surprising how little time and effort it actually takes, and obviously tastes loads better, nothing better than a house smelling of freshly baked breads. :D :
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Aside from the occasional trip to Costco to stock up on food, my mileage in cars has dropped from 6,000 to <50 miles/year thanks to my favourite possession, that's a huge reduction in dependence on oil. I've put in a request to Santa to bring me a winter bike with panniers/full fenders so I can do even more shopping by bike. I now do my 6,000 commuting miles by bicycle. Commuting expenses have dropped from 20% of annual income to <1%:
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I have taken other measures to reduce my reliance on consumer electronics, while they may be token gestures, I take great pleasure in simplifying. For instance, I retired my old electric grinder in favour for this high quality manual ceramic burr grinder, I find it even results in a better brew as I am now able to control the size of coffee grinds and reduce bitterness caused by the imprecision of the blender blades. Yes I have about 3kg off coffee in the pantry, just in case SHTF :D . I can't imagine a world without coffee, without cheap oil for quick/cheap transportation, I know it will be a very expensive commodity and access will be restricted, a world like that would make me truly sad, so precautions had to be taken. As a plus, if the lights go out, I can still grind coffee!
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My net worth hasn't grown as quickly as I had hoped in recent months due to spending to increase resilience, in recent weeks I have bought a wood splitting axe for chopping firewood, first aid kit - just in case, a knife sharpening stone very useful in the kitchen! Plus other gimmicky purchases like a hand crank radio, a large supply of batteries (all acquired sensibly of course, used, quality, in bulk/steep discount etc). I can sense some doom scenario approaching, while I'm trying avoid the social stigma of 'prepping', I think these preps are all ERE compatible and make life somewhat simpler. I haven't spent any more than £30 on the gimmicky stuff, I can honestly say a lot of anxiety about economic uncertainty faded quickly after establishing the deep pantry.

Plans for increasing resilience in future months include, constructing a DIY water filter, something like below, this will require learning how to producing my own charcoal and ceramic. My initiali reaction was to think, lets go to the local hardware store and buy some, but then I remembered, IN-SOURCING IS AWESOME. :D

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I'll also be building a cob oven, increasing my farming skills and I'm also really keen to develop more woodworking skills, something I have been putting off as I don't have the tools, now I have a few months FU money, I'm happy to try buy some. The renaissance lifestyle is finally coming together, can't wait to see what 2016 brings :D

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Dude, you're doing really good! I'm impressed by your food stash and by how you are reducing your dependency on externalities. I get the feeling that we were both panicking a while ago about that the world might go to shit, but you managed to turn these feelings into concrete actions (and I hope the anxiety levels have dropped somewhat by now). Thanks for the inspiration boost. :)

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I'm liking the photos, and I really like your graphs. Its nice to visualize financials. I am including a new graph in my next update and changed my colors a bit.

That's a nice store of food. If anything, it would be handy in the event of a power grid failure or in the face of rising food prices. I have about 2-3 dozen 5 gallon buckets with mylar bag sealed rice/beans/wheat etc.. in my garage. Mostly for the thought of being snowed in for a month or more. Never know in the midwest!

Along the lines of coffee, I agree, a world without coffee is a horrible thought. I enjoy it so much I have pondered building a small conservatory after FIRE and growing a coffee bean tree. :D Just for the fun of course.

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