JollyScot's Journey Starts

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Re: JollyScot's Journey Starts

Post by jacob » Sun May 21, 2017 4:15 pm

Yup! A functional loophole that many Danes+Int. spouse pursued was to move to Malmoe in Sweden (a short trip across the bridge to Copenhagen) and stay there for a few years until the spouse qualified as a EU resident or somesuch. The Dane would then work in Copenhagen but the couple would live in Sweden and thus fulfill whatever legal obligations in order to "make it happen".

There are some links in the Brexit thread on which EU countries offer the "easiest" visas.

ERE level spending is that much harder to explain because it falls outside of what "authorities" consider normal standard of living, i.e. "According to the Bureaucracy of Economics, nobody can live on less $20,000/year, therefore.." I know a FIRE Brit+Int spouse who moved to the UK, and he had to get a random job for 6 months to tick a box about being employed so he could bring her along. So he did that ...

I think in order for borders to go away, the nation state has to become secondary to other concerns, both in people's minds but also in their hearts. I don't think this will happen anytime soon (figure at least 10+ years before the pendulum swings again) For a while corporations, the academy, monied people, ... were winning being able to move freely being allowed to do so by politicians ... while the average person were losing out. We're now seeing the blowback from this all over the first world.

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Re: JollyScot's Journey Starts

Post by JollyScot » Mon May 22, 2017 4:50 am

Yeah I think there are a few countries that have a 5 year path to becoming a citizen. Not sure if I will end up in one of them or just head to somewhere that I will settle permanently . Once I leave the UK this time I suspect that will be it, so the choice will be between one with the shortest passport time vs one where we will settle forever. EU would still be the preferable option but Canada, Australia, New Zealand and depending on how we enjoy our month trip, Japan.

I could do the UK path but it is purposely obtuse due to them wanting immigration numbers to be so low. I suspect the number will start to drop fairly quickly as the Brexit process starts. With the pound fall people are already 15-20% poorer on world terms, Housing and rental costs are starting to push up towards the 50% of income mark (London was getting close to 70% I think). So for anyone considering looking at moving here now I can't see the draw other than its maybe English speaking.

I don't have any particular pull to UK or any other nation for that matter. I do get that people like feeling like they belong to a group or "tribe", much like the FI community I guess. I certainly see that my Grandparents have very strong views about the nation, my Parents have some but are less attached, then as we move down to me I don't have other than specific people I actually know.

I was maybe attached to the NHS somewhat but that's being privatised in earnest now and at that point I may as well look at the US. I never would though just because of the health care system. Even though I have seen a lot of options for dealing with it, I just think its daft.

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Post by JollyScot » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:36 pm

So I started the process of looking at roles and potential countries that I could relocate to. There are a few on the list, Ireland, I could just transfer my company over and pick up some EU based contract and be done fairly quickly I think. France, Sweden and Netherlands all seem to have a fairly steady stream of jobs that I could pick up to exercise treaty rights.

There are a couple of countries that are fine with the using "self sufficiency" as a way to settle. The rules are an awful lot more awkward and generally hidden from easy reach, so an initial job is just easier. I was considering doing the UK path had the general election fallen the way of the Labour party (they had planned to make the rules back to a more reasonable state) that however did not happen.

I also had my first interview for a potential role, been 5 years since I had to do one of those. I still managed to spot the early game playing over salary negotiations however. I guess one of the benefits of not needing a job is you can be a lot tougher in any stance you take. Specifically when the one you apply for you are not even sure if it is the best among the potential choices you have. One thing the interview brought to light is that I may be moving into the stage where I am less accommodating of company processes.

Other than the planning front not many changes, investments are plodding along without too many wild swings.

I did open up my bitcoin wallet for the first time in 2 years or so, was a nice to see what my 6 coins were at and I could maybe add them to my net worth. But for now I'm still not sure what to make of them, I understand the theoretical value of the block chain and what potential there could be however I don't have a firm position on whether bitcoin will be the one that wins or one of the other newer coins could take over. I should take another look at the whole area and see how the developments are going but I don't have the same interest as I did when I got them. I will probably leave as is on the basis that it is good to have as a "what if" for the technology.

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Re: JollyScot's Journey Starts

Post by JollyScot » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:28 am

Now currently in Japan being a bit of a tourist, enjoying my time here. It seems to be both less expensive than I was expecting and more expensive than I was expecting at the same time.

So the general day to day costs of being here seems to be quite low when compared to other similar country centres (London, New York, Paris, etc), but when you start going out for food or to events or on trains and subways the costs can quickly start to jump up. Not sure if it is more or less than anywhere else, probably the same it is just that here I haven't made an attempt to find out how to cook for myself.

I do enjoy the country though and could see myself spending another extended trip here. The issue after speak to a few Japanese people here is that I could probably never work here due to the somewhat insane hours that they all do and that is expected. I could maybe do here if I were a business owner or if I were self employed I guess. That said no immediate plans for relocating to Japan though.

In better news I have been digging through the EU free movement rules a bit more and discovered that I can move around without having to work. The information is a little harder to find but I was able to dig out the self sufficiency requirement for a few countries. As such I am thankfully back into the early retirement bucket of people and won't be heading back to the working world after all. Yay, now just cross my fingers and hope the UK government don't manage to ruin it over the next 2 years (bad start though).

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Post by Jason » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:18 am

Damn, I got jet lag just reading this.

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Post by JollyScot » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:59 am

Hmm, yeah after a reading I can see that I am still a bit all over the place with locations. Guess it doesn't seem that way when I am in it so much, I see the EU as one large block and so view the different countries like how an American might view their states. I jump my way through them looking at the pros and cons of each for living in each. At one point I had a huge list of potential places to go but most weren't really contenders, good to think about them anyway.

Japan well that is a long awaited holiday, but I suppose I look at everywhere for the pros and cons of living now, not sure if that is a good or bad thing. Should get settled somewhere by end of year I hope, after using this initial "freedom" period to find my way a little.

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Post by Jason » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:00 pm

That's a point I never considered - that from the geographical standpoint traveling United States could be like traveling Europe.

I just turned down a trip to Florence so that tells you about my desire to see the world.

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Re: JollyScot's Journey Starts

Post by Eureka » Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:11 am

Is it Japan or Tokyo you want? There are organic farms and off the track communities where you can live and eat for free if you hang out and help a bit. And villages where you can stay rent free in an old house if you just live there and maintain the garden. The country is huge, the opportunities endless.

Even in Tokyo you could go to the areas with many drop out salarymen turned homeless, such as along the Sumida River. Make friends with them, most are well educated (but just happened to lose their jobs or get divorced) and into deep talks about the meaning of life. Build your own little cottage next to theirs, contribute to their society and you will be well off for basically no costs.

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Re: JollyScot's Journey Starts

Post by JollyScot » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:29 am

We have been in Tokyo the last couple of weeks and will be heading out around some other areas of Japan in the next couple. I think if I were to seriously consider here moving via the "English Teacher" route would be easy enough. That said it is not where we are going to end up I think, I like the country but don't think the full time living is for me. The barrier is much higher than other places with the language, I could invest the time in learning it but there are other items I'm more interested in learning just now.

That said I agree that living here on a low amount is certainly doable, take out transport costs and the touristy food and things to see and costs seem pretty low (although I did see a 10,000 YEN mango). Once the flat I bought is up and running I think on its own could pay the vast majority of the expenses with the remaining assets left as a buffer.

It is looking like Europe will remain as the base for us though.

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