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Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:03 am
by TopHatFox
What are all of the problems that money *can't* solve?

I'll start:

1. No matter how much money one has, it won't heal a broken heart </3

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:04 am
by daylen
More like what problems can be solved with money?

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:30 am
by Ego
There are many health issues and fragilities that are not reversible regardless of the amount of money thrown at them. Same goes for some mental-health issues. Same goes for some relationship issues. Sadly it is not unusual for people to incrementally cause themselves irreversible mental, physical and relationship damage through neglect while working to build a nest egg that they incorrectly believe will buy them solutions to the increasingly dire problems.

Regarding the broken heart, someone smart once said, "The world breaks everyone, and afterward, some are strong at the broken places."

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:49 am
by slowtraveler
No matter where you go, there you are. Money buys security, freedom, and some power- that's it.

It can buy great mentors to help with relationships, health, etc. but it can't do the work for you of changing beliefs and all that.

One great tool but just that.

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:08 am
by BRUTE
this might be the wrong way to look at this. while money won't heal a broken heart, neither will anything else but time.

money won't heal cancer, but neither will anything else.

money won't heal the damage from decades of working in a coal mine, but neither will anything else.

what money enables humans to do is take action on those day-to-day things so damage doesn't accumulate until catastrophic system failure.

money enables paying extra every day for healthy food, so they don't get diabetes.
money enables paying a little more in rent, so the commute is shorter and daily stress and time-in-smog is reduced.
money enables retiring early.

@Ego
that's a cool quote. brute is stealing that one.

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:55 pm
by Solvent
Money won't stop the baby from crying.

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:09 pm
by chenda
Death. The great certainty. :|

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:53 pm
by 7Wannabe5
NASCAR

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:27 am
by ducknalddon
Politics

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:24 am
by stand@desk
Money can't "solve" most problems, but it can help ease the pain.

Also

It's not "Money" that solves anything, it is how it is used. That is the hard part, knowing how to use this tool. Not only functionally, but psychologically. It's a very loaded psychological tool. Use it wisely if you can. Much experience may be needed to know how to do this and few know how to really use money wisely. Most know just how to acquire and stock-pile it or spend it frivously.

A weakness of ERE is the default of just not spending money if one has a big pile of it. Sometimes it might actually be good to put some of it to use but it can be hard to know when, how and why.

Money can also not solve entropy.

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:10 pm
by Sclass
I just got done dealing with my mother's problems today. Whoa. Money won't solve dementia.

But it goes a long way towards hiring helpers. They are making a big problem manageable for me.

Anyone who is an employee solves somebody's problems for money. Everyday. Ok, most of us aren't curing cancer (some of you are I think) but we are solving some owner's problems for money. Maybe not our own problems though. And then it is easy to slip into the trap of "money cannot solve my problems".

Maybe we are all to rich here? It is a big deal when you don't have it. I get it, everyone here has enough money so all the easy stuff is solved. We are just left with toughies like cancer, dementia and death.

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:09 pm
by Lemon
Ego wrote:Sadly it is not unusual for people to incrementally cause themselves irreversible mental, physical and relationship damage through neglect while working to build a nest egg that they incorrectly believe will buy them solutions to the increasingly dire problems.
Although many more do all those things without amassing the pile of gold.

@brute depends on the Cancer. Many can be fought ever more effectively and be won against.

Death as of yet Money can't beat and many conditions are better avoided than spent money on. But money sure as hell helps with health in both permitting measures to be put in place to prevent deterioration and it sure as hell makes conditions like dementia much more bearable.



Family issues it largely just makes worse. Unless everyone has the big pile of gold/no one know about the piles of gold

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:40 pm
by vezkor
Money is a proxy for human-designated valuable products and services.

Re-ask the question as: What are all of the problems that products and services *can't* solve?

You could get technical and require that human's must assign value (price or cost) to the product and/or service but you wouldn't want to risk missing the point.

Think about it backwards again: what are all of the problems that products and services CAN solve?

I think this will help guide you to the heart of ERE. Becoming self-sufficient and building a foundation of "life-needs" from the ground up... when you break life down into its' building blocks (I need shelter, fresh water, food etc.) and find ways to provide those things without the middle-man universal tool of Currency, you start getting robust. By far money will be the most efficient answer to many questions, but every time you find a different answer and gain a skill: you get more resilient.

Also makes you really think hard about what is actually a "problem".

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:57 pm
by 7Wannabe5
The lack of a sense of purpose. I think this is even more key than various aspects of health, because what's the point of, for instance, diverting your time/energy away from accumulating financial assets and towards increased maintenance of the your greatest asset (you-body,brain,spirit etc.) if you have no use for yourself? Kind of like you are your own car which you own outright and you keep parked in a garage to just go out and wax every night. Or a dog chasing its own tail. Or any other metaphor for a very small, closed loop system.

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:38 pm
by Noedig
"Life is like a sh*t sandwich. The more bread you have, the less sh*t you have to eat".

Also, this precise issue is tackled by Plato in the Republic, where surprisingly it is proposed that the main benefit of wealth is to facilitate independence and thus moral integrity:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... 3Abook%3D1
" the possession of wealth is of most value .... to the good man. Not to cheat any man even unintentionally or play him false, not remaining in debt to... to a man for money ...to this result the possession of property contributes not a little. It has also many other uses"

This has long stuck in my mind. I find I do largely agree.

That said, along with other material ephemera, Plato then dismisses wealth as a lesser form of Good.

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 8:29 pm
by Dragline
Yeah, I'm with Daylen. Better to state this question in reverse. Only basic human needs and material wants (yes, that includes physical companionship), and absolute choice in occupation (or lack of needing one) can be solved by money.

The rest is up to you.

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 10:57 am
by tradfgh
Health

Re: Problems money can't solve?

Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 12:53 am
by fiby41
Hairfall/baldness