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Re: Durable shoes

Post by Seneca » Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:47 pm

JohnnyH wrote:I am familiar with White's, the pride of the wildland firefighter elitist... While I have not owned a pair of White's, I've owned similar pricepoint logging boots, and I cannot see them lasting anywhere near as long as welt boots... I've seen dozens of pairs of White's fail in stitching that doesn't exist on welt boots.

Logger boots are lighter, much more easily broken in and perhaps more comfortable than welt boots. But welt boots keep you drier (fewer stitching seams to seal), are less prone to rolling ankles (I've rolled in loggers, but not welt). Lastly, logging heals drive me crazy (prone to rolling, like a high-heal) and loggers left my feet feeling like burger after a days on the screes.
You can get White's with Vibram lugged and heeled soles, what you're calling "logger", or with other more traditional hiking/flat Vibram soles.

I now have several hundred miles on a pair of White's 8" with lugged sole/Arch-Ease "Outdoorsmen". I have come to the conclusion I like the heel. It feels weird to put them on at first, but I love how the heel catches when you start to slip on rough terrain, especially when wearing a load. I can see how people might not like this, each of our feet, gait etc are different. Boots that work for one might not for another.

I bought them for hiking and backpacking, and have hiked them in extremely wet and slippery conditions, all last winter in mud and snow, and in the desert, including lots of off-piste. In the past I've had the old Vasque Sundowners, mountaineering Asolos etc as my backpacking boots. So far the White's appear to be far more durable, are more comfortable the harder the day/trip and equally weather resistant. My biggest complaints in my use would be they are heavier than any boots I've owned, and they are more money. They also were slow to break in.

They are not the most comfortable boot on hard surfaces, and they are heavy, there are definitely better boots than anything with heavy lugged Vibram soles if you want a mixed use boot for concrete jungles.

For me they do exactly what I want them to better than anything I've tried, but I was looking for a specialist shoe.

Based on my observation of how the leather/stitching and general construction has held up, and how they fit my feet if I was trying to get a single do it all pair of boots, White's be high on my list, but I would not get the heeled/lugged ones for it. My favorite do-it-all shoes I own with city use would be a pair of Danners I got at one of their big sales.

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by George the original one » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:30 am

Necrothread...

I've been buying Merrell slip-ons for about 14 years. Way back then, I was mourning the lack of Velcro shoes because I hate tying shoes (the more arthritic & inflexible you become as you age, the more you don't want to tie shoes). Decent style, but they don't last more than 2-3 years and I would wear them as casual office shoes until appearance sagged and then move them to gardening/hiking shoes. Either the sole wears through or the sole's seam will fail.

Last year I was introduced to Georgia Boot Company's Romeos (slip-on low top boots) when I saw someone wearing them while wading/fishing. Looked into them, but decided they were too boot-like for office wear and not really suitable for summer wading/fishing shoes. However, now that I'm retired, no longer going to an office, and my current pair of Merrells failed, it suddenly made sense to try them. Same price as the Merrells, so little to lose and potentially a lot to gain, but it will be a few years before I know whether they outlast the Merrells.

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by enigmaT120 » Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:00 am

Once I get a pair of running shoes adjusted to be as tight as I can without them hurting the top of my foot, I never untie them. They're just like slippers for me. After their running life span they retire to be work shoes.

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by polaran » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:23 pm

What do all of you use for running shoes? I wear trail runners for everyday school/work wear, plus running about 30 miles per week on rocky trails and backpacking. I currently use Altra lone peaks and love them, particularly since I have a relatively wide forefoot and narrow heels. I switched from boots to trail runners for backpacking about two years ago and don't think I'll ever go back due to the lighter weight, faster drying time, and greater comfort. The biggest downside is cost - last year I wore out 5 pairs of Altras in 2,600 miles of backpacking, plus one additional pair that I wore the other 8 months of the year. Even purchasing the previous year's model on sale it was one of my largest expenses while thru hiking. I won't be doing that kind of mileage again in the near future, but would love to find something that I can run/hike in that doesn't have to be replaced so frequently.

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by Toska2 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:26 pm

Asics Gel Kahana 7 : long lasting heel and sole, wider in the arch way, estimated milelage mostly walking : 1500

Mizuno wave rider : lighter than above asics, curved too early and my little toe rubbed thru the upper, emmw :800

Keen Targhee ii mid : very comfortable, higher heel makes for great walking/hiking but fair jogging. It seems the sole heel block starts 1/4" - 1/2" too soon on the inside. If this is for motion control, it works too well as the rear heel blocks suffer. Mine wore smooth in 100 miles unloaded walking on asphalt. If I seem harsh here it's because I was breaking them in and they show more wear than my three year old Asics. I'm torn buying Keens if the sole is that soft or badly designed.

I alternated until failure. The Altra's look promising.

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by Ydobon » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:36 am

Asics Gel Kayano, lots of support.

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by henrik » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:41 am

polaran wrote:What do all of you use for running shoes?
There's an earlier thread about this here

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by Stahlmann » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:18 am

How about style and ere?
Has anyone found durable shoes in that kind https://goo.gl/images/nRcukV ?

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Re: Durable shoes

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by jacob » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:53 am

@Stahlman - Those $$$$ Church's would last forever as long as you don't walk farther on sidewalk/asphalt than between the building door and the car door. You could have a cobbler glue a rubber sole underneath but that would void Church's resoling efforts. It would also be a bit like buying a Rolls Royce and then welding steel plates on the front bumper.

The strategy I've seen applied is that people use normal cheap sneakers or boots when going to and from work and then switch to their fancy leather-soled wingtips when they get inside.

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by Stahlmann » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:47 pm

jacob wrote:@Stahlman - (*) Those $$$$ Church's would last forever as long as you don't walk farther on sidewalk/asphalt than between the building door and the car door. You could have a cobbler glue a rubber sole underneath but that would void Church's resoling efforts. It would also be a bit like buying a Rolls Royce and then welding steel plates on the front bumper.

(**) The strategy I've seen applied is that people use normal cheap sneakers or boots when going to and from work and then switch to their fancy leather-soled wingtips when they get inside.

(*) - Well, photo was example of desired style. I hoped that somebody created brand of them in which they chose to attain hardcore durability. I have not yet resigned from searchings :D . Anyway I will try trick from the next part of your post :mrgreen:

(**) - really :mrgreen: ?!
When do they change it?
Are there lockers room in corporate America?
Or just in toilet?
Pretty funny example of careerism.

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by jacob » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:50 pm

You just keep your business shoes under your desk at work. Switch shoes when you arrive. Switch again when you leave.

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by Stahlmann » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:07 pm

jacob wrote:You just keep your business shoes under your desk at work. Switch shoes when you arrive. Switch again when you leave.
Simply as that, haha.
I thought you need to be more stealth in your office.

I have seen that also, but in this particular office people changed shoes to flip-flops :mrgreen:
Any thoughts about this brand?
In my country there is one shop of it.
I think people buy there just for ,,american dream" feeling.

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by Toska2 » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:58 pm

I bought a few pairs. I like them

The 952 : ~$140, 3000+ miles on tile and industrial smooth cement. Kinda hard insole, doesn't hug the heel so a blister might develop after 3-4 miles of non-stop walking. Still have them. Slick bottom so I used them stocking shelves.

The 608 : $ I don't remember, 6000+ miles on sidewalks and more. I expect another 1500-2000 before a hole develops at the toe creases. I've resoled them when the heel showed 1.5" strip of underlaying foam. The front part of the sole was +1/8" . They are a boot so they are heavy and with wool socks good to about 30°F.

Get the American non heritage boot and it should be a good deal. As for dress shoes, look elsewhere.

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by Stahlmann » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:39 pm

http://earlyretirementextreme.com/the-l ... r-buy.html
and
http://www.hanwag.de/grunten

jacob's dream is fulfilled now! (they offer black color) :D
I am still looking for my fancy wing-tips (or something that shape: http://imgur.com/gallery/zA2eJ ), but I am aiming at durability so grunten boots are still an option (and they will be easier to get in EU).

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by vexed87 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:14 pm

Toying with the idea of buying these now that my one of my office shoes have a worn sole: http://www.grenson.com/uk/dylan-mens-ox ... -sole.html

I have a similar, but high gloss pair I keep for best (from wedding), high gloss is not so great for daily office wear! These appear to be the duller kind. No mention of the kind of leather though, maybe I'll drop them an e-mail.

I do the desk swap thing because I wear clipless shoes for cycling.

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by Ego » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:54 pm

vexed87 wrote:Toying with the idea of buying these now that my one of my office shoes have a worn sole: http://www.grenson.com/uk/dylan-mens-ox ... -sole.html.
Aw crap. Several years ago I found a pair of Grenson's wingtips at the swap meet. They looked good and were comfortable so I wore them for weddings, funerals, interviews and the odd night out. As you can see, I didn't take great care of them. For some odd reason I didn't do a good job of researching them. When you mentioned it, I thought.... hum that looks familiar... I better take a closer look. Yep, they are the Toynbee's. £400.00 :shock:

Damn you! Now I have to sell these. What am I going to wear for Christmas?!

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by vexed87 » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:59 am

:shock: You don't have to sell them!

Unless you have some similar already? Nice find, in the US too!

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by Stahlmann » Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:44 am

How do you manage bad odour in long term use of your ,,investment" :D ?
This bugs me the most. I probably will buy these Hangwart.
But I am not convinced. I am afraid that it would be better to buy cheaper boots in nearby future and don't care about odour issue.

(this is serious question)

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by enigmaT120 » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:38 pm

Minimal BO in general in my case, but I have no idea how I do it unless it's from sweating like crazy pretty often (exercise). I eat enough garlic and onions that I should at least have bad breath.

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by George the original one » Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:19 pm

Thicker socks changed daily keep odor-causing secretions from permeating footwear. Thinner socks can't absorb as much. Also, shuck your shoes whenever you can so your feet aren't confined as much.

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by KevinW » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:11 am

Conventional wisdom is to put shoe trees (e.g. http://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/shoe- ... SF604.html ) in your shoes immediately after you take the shoes off, and let a pair of shoes air dry at least one day between wearings. That probably necessitates at least two pairs of shoes and trees. For a while I wore the same leather shoes every day and used trees only overnight, and that seemed to work fine except for when it rained.

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by NPV » Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:13 am

Has anyone researched whether there is truth to the common notion that if you alternate between two pairs they will serve longer (beyond the obvious arithmetic effect that two pairs will serve twice as long as one)? I did some Googling and there was nothing conclusive; reddit seems to believe it is just this doubling effect (if 1 pair serves for 3 years two will serve for 6 years) rather than any synergy ("if 1 pair serves for 3 years two will serve for 8 years"):
https://www.reddit.com/r/LifeProTips/co ... _in_a_row/

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by Campitor » Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:19 am

I used to work in an OR and I was friendly with the surgeons. One of them was a podiatrist. He told me that the majority of foot injuries that require surgical intervention could be avoided by wearing shoes with as little heel as possible AND not wearing the same shoe 2 days in a row. I followed his advice and not only are my feet healthier and feel less fatigued at the end of the day (I stand all day); not wearing the same shoe consecutively has dramatically increased their lifespan. He also recommended that once the sole was worn, the sole or shoe should be replaced asap. The sole doesn't wear out evenly which causes your ankles to shift into bad position which affects posture which affects your back, etc.- you get the idea..

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Re: Durable shoes

Post by George the original one » Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:11 pm

George the original one wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:30 am
Necrothread...

Last year I was introduced to Georgia Boot Company's Romeos (slip-on low top boots) when I saw someone wearing them while wading/fishing. Looked into them, but decided they were too boot-like for office wear and not really suitable for summer wading/fishing shoes. However, now that I'm retired, no longer going to an office, and my current pair of Merrells failed, it suddenly made sense to try them. Same price as the Merrells, so little to lose and potentially a lot to gain, but it will be a few years before I know whether they outlast the Merrells.
One year later: the Romeos are holding up. Sole is not showing signs of wear, seams are not fraying, and the leather shows no sign of wearing through where my feet don't match any shoe shape. I've abused them with dirt and the finish has one deepish cut from a sharp rock or something. All indications are they are a better value than Merrells have ever been. Like all shoes, the fit has relaxed a little bit.

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