Best packable permanent alternative for a matress?

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Best packable permanent alternative for a matress?

Post by Olaz » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:13 am

I think this has been asked before, but can one of you point me to a sleeping system that is easy to clean and portable? Turns out long and unfoldable mattresses don't fit in cars. This is for my room, so a sleeping bag and pad are out. I was thinking more of a roll up tatami matt. Questions for you/myself:

1. How does one sleep on tatami? Do you just get the tatami and put a sheet on it like a regular mattress? Or put something soft on top of it?
2. For example, maybe a roll up futon like this: http://roselawnlutheran.org/futon/japan ... -up-futon/
3. My mattress is a ghoul-green plastic material that is easy to clean with a sponge. How does one clean futon or tatami?

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Post by OTCW » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:26 am

I would strap the mattress to the top of the cargo van. Probably can't use too many straps.

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Re: Best packable permanent alternative for a matress?

Post by jacob » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:47 am

Tatami is thick (about 1.5") soft straw flooring that's sold in standard sizes. It does not fold or roll. It's flooring material. Not a bed. You could sleep on it like you would sleep on the floor insofar you're into that. Seems a bit silly though---it would be like buying a piece of 4x8 plywood and sleeping on that.

Tatami is hard to clean (hence the rules about taking your shoes off) and the Japanese switch them out every so many years once they get too gnarly. Japanese rooms are built in standard sizes (measured in unit mats, e.g. a 4 mat room) to make this easy.

Maybe you're thinking "tatami omote" which is like a thin beach mat? Those are only good for sword testing or improvised clothing(*). They have about as much softness to them as a piece of paper. Call it a 0.1 on the yoga mat scale.

Otherwise, you put a shiki futon on the floor and sleep on that. I'd rate that at 1.5-2 on the therma-rest scale. You generally do not put covers on futons like you would on a mattress but of course you can do whatever you want. To sleep on it, you would tie your swords together so that there's one sword on either side of you with the string passing under the futon. Also you keep your right arm under you while sleeping lest it be cut off before you can react. This is the only way, if you care anything about your honor as a swordsman!

The futon should be hung up to air out [daily]. If you want something transportable and reasonably presentable (to the hipster-consumer mind), that's what I'd get. If you don't give a shit, I'd suggest a cowboy roll (same rating) or a cot (much higher rating).

(*) In case your clothes get stolen because you failed to secure them before going to bed. Here, common methods involves tying your clothes to your grappling hook and tying the hook to your big toe. CMI makes a good one.

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Re: Best packable permanent alternative for a matress?

Post by GandK » Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:46 pm

Have you thought about a hammock?

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Post by Solvent » Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:59 pm

You could try to find a swag. Image search. I've never tried one for long periods of time.

Wait, but you said sleeping bag and pad are out. And yet a roll up mat is OK? Difference without distinction in my opinion.

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Post by Jean » Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:35 pm

http://www.lebonbond.com

Otherwise, 1 or 2 thermarest Z-Lite would be very versatile.

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Re: Best packable permanent alternative for a matress?

Post by BRUTE » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:04 pm

jacob wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:47 am
Seems a bit silly though---it would be like buying a piece of 4x8 plywood and sleeping on that.
that's literally what brute's been doing.

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Post by James_0011 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:06 pm

I use a Japanese futon, it takes some time to get use to but I like it. If this one becomes unusable for some reason I would probably just sleep on the floor - my futon doesnt have much padding to begin with.

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Post by Gilberto de Piento » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:58 pm

What about a "memory foam" mattress? I think they come compressed into a small box, though I'm not sure if they can be compressed again once opened.

Or an inflatable mattress?

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Post by Olaz » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:36 pm

James_0011 wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:06 pm
I use a Japanese futon, it takes some time to get use to but I like it. If this one becomes unusable for some reason I would probably just sleep on the floor - my futon doesnt have much padding to begin with.
Do you have a link to the one you got, or something similar?

I think a futon makes more sense than a mattress while mobile.

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Post by Olaz » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:38 pm

The tatami is for hipster cred.

Just kidding, the futon's going on the floor. Maybe.


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Re: Best packable permanent alternative for a matress?

Post by TheRedHare » Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:58 am

I've been sleeping on this for about a month now and have no complaints thus far: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0065 ... UTF8&psc=1

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Re: Best packable permanent alternative for a matress?

Post by jacob » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:34 am

@GdP - Originally I was thinking "No way!" but here's a guy who compressed a memory foam mattress with a vacuum cleaner!

https://medium.com/@sambrannon01/moving ... cee8d31708

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Re: Best packable permanent alternative for a matress?

Post by enigmaT120 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:42 pm

BRUTE wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:04 pm
jacob wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:47 am
Seems a bit silly though---it would be like buying a piece of 4x8 plywood and sleeping on that.
that's literally what brute's been doing.
Why do you need the plywood? Ground too lumpy?

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Post by BRUTE » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:05 pm

dusty, and sometimes cold

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Re: Best packable permanent alternative for a matress?

Post by FBeyer » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:29 am

BRUTE wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:05 pm
dusty, and sometimes cold
Does a 3/4 inch piece of plywood really make a difference when it comes to dust?

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Post by ducknalddon » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:52 am

BRUTE wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:05 pm
dusty, and sometimes cold
Aren't you going a bit soft :lol:

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Post by George the original one » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:57 am

Okay, I like that, but what is it called?

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Post by Olaz » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:16 am

@George, ooo, that's really cool!

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Re: Best packable permanent alternative for a matress?

Post by BRUTE » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:42 am

FBeyer wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:29 am
BRUTE wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:05 pm
dusty, and sometimes cold
Does a 3/4 inch piece of plywood really make a difference when it comes to dust?
brute eventually built his own wooden bed frame, on top of which the plywood is screwed. that thai mattress then lies on top of the plywood. now when brute sleeps, he's about 1ft from the ground, which seems to be enough to avoid dust.

@George:
"thai mattress" or "thai sleeping pad" should probably find something.

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Post by Olaz » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:20 am

@Brute, how do you clean a thai mattress? For some reason, only "airing it out" doesn't seem to strike confidence in cleanliness.

Also, do you place a sheet over the thai mattress, or sleep on it as is with a sheet over you?

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Post by Olaz » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:30 am

Maybe a foldable massage mat is a good solution: https://www.google.com/search?q=thai+tr ... _MwyVIxerM:

These are easy enough to put a decorative sheet over, and can be periodically wiped down with sponge + vinegar.

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Post by enigmaT120 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:46 pm

Olaz wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:20 am
@Brute, how do you clean a thai mattress? For some reason, only "airing it out" doesn't seem to strike confidence in cleanliness.

Also, do you place a sheet over the thai mattress, or sleep on it as is with a sheet over you?
Most normal mattresses don't get cleaned. Put a sheet on it, wash that as needed. At least with that Thai mattress you could hang it over a line and give it a good beating every now and then. Find an antique rug beater or just a stick.

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Re: Best packable permanent alternative for a matress?

Post by BRUTE » Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:12 pm

sheet. to be honest, brute just upgraded from the plywood a week ago, so he can't report on long-term cleanliness of said mattress.

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