"What the Health"

[BRUTE]

@sl-owl-orris: triglyceride/HDL ratio show off?

I'll volunteer mine, too. ~2.3 I need a higher HDL level.

1.63

1.7 - Dragline wins.

[BRUTE]

Anyone want to arm wrestle next?

deal.

[sl-owl-orris]

@sl-owl-orris: triglyceride/HDL ratio show off?

Mine is 0.68.

[Stahlmann]

@sl-owl-orris: triglyceride/HDL ratio show off?

Mine is 0.68.

On what kind of diet?

@sl-owl-orris: triglyceride/HDL ratio show off?

I'll volunteer mine, too. ~2.3 I need a higher HDL level.

1.63

1.7 - Dragline wins.

Mine is 1.54, but I am the youngest from you all.
Result is after 1 year of not so successful LCHF diet.

[slsdly]

Triglycerides 0.62, HDL 1.33. Maybe having meat with one or two meals per week on average? 2-3 eggs a day though. Minimal dairy. The rest mostly vegetables, legumes, some whole grains. Exercise 4-5 days a week.

[sl-owl-orris]

On what kind of diet?

Whole food plant based diet. No animal products.

[SustainableHappiness]

I have a sneaking suspicion this thread has a higher troll/non troll ratio than usual. I also may not really understand the definition of troll. Brute is also a brutal troll.

Good work team.

[BRUTE]

Brute is also a brutal troll.

much appreciated

[BRUTE]

@sl-owl-orris: triglyceride/HDL ratio show off?

Mine is 0.68.

that seems absurdly low - is it calculated using mmol/L (civilized world) or mg/dl (US)? the US measurements are typically in the <2 - 4+ range, whereas the mmol ones are in the <0.5-2.5+ range.

http://www.docsopinion.com/2014/07/17/t ... hdl-ratio/

in any case, it seems a very healthy ratio.

[TopHatFox]

I'm just gonna drop this here and see what happens:

What about pets? What are examples of healthy diets for them? Is a WFPB diet good for some pets and not others?

[Dragline]

Triglycerides 0.62, HDL 1.33. Maybe having meat with one or two meals per week on average? 2-3 eggs a day though. Minimal dairy. The rest mostly vegetables, legumes, some whole grains. Exercise 4-5 days a week.

Yes, some of these look like the Canada/UK/Australia version (mmol/l). There is a conversion calculator here: http://www.onlineconversion.com/cholesterol.htm

US numbers are in mg/dl so are usually figures in 10s. Also, the "Triglyceride number" in the US is five times the equivalent in LDL or HDL, so to get total cholesterol, for example, you add LDL, HDL and (Tri * .20).

To convert the UK ratio at issue to US, you would multiply by 2.3 as it turns out.

So assuming sldy's ratio would convert to about 1.07. A 0.68 UK ratio converts to about 1.56 US.

[Toska2]

I always think of health solely​ relating to diet being myopic.

Once one concerns themselves not to eat crap, the gains plateau. Exercise, social network, meaningful work all take on a more significant role with health.

Fwiw My 96 year old grandma has eaten wonder bread, Oscar Meyer bologna and Kraft cheese sandwiches for thirty years. However, for 50+ years it was whatever grew in a zone 4 & 1/4 acre garden.

[Dragline]

Well, our tiny epidemiological study seems to indicate that whether you are a carnivore, omnivore or herbivore, healthy cholesterol metrics can be achieved by all. Meaning the meat factor doesn't really matter and other factors are at issue. In this group, I would suspect the lack of processed foods, smoking and alcohol abuse, and a propensity to exercise is what differs it from the general population.

[enigmaT120]

Triglyceride 76 mg/dL
HDL Chol 42 mg/dL

I get 1.8. Kaiser P. doesn't give any recommendations for that ratio. I'm 53. I eat for a living, lots of fruit (blueberries today) and vegetables, but am still an omnivore. My HDL has always been low like that, once under 40. I can't eat seafood without constantly suppressing the urge to puke so I gave up on fish. I work out quite a bit.

But here's the advice from my Kaiser doctor. I should point out that Kaiser only makes money off me when I'm healthy, unlike the example somebody posted above. "Continue
trying to eat a healthy diet plentiful in fruits and vegetables and lower
in saturated fats from meat, cheese, and oils."

[jennypenny]

I eat for a living

Seriously? How did you get that kind of job? I think I could be good at that.

[sl-owl-orris]

that seems absurdly low - is it calculated using mmol/L (civilized world) or mg/dl (US)? the US measurements are typically in the <2 - 4+ range, whereas the mmol ones are in the <0.5-2.5+ range.

http://www.docsopinion.com/2014/07/17/t ... hdl-ratio/

in any case, it seems a very healthy ratio.

Total cholesterol 143 mg/dl
HDL 66 mg/dl
LDL 68 mg/dl
TG 45 mg/dl

TG/HDL 0.68

[SustainableHappiness]

What about pets? What are examples of healthy diets for them? Is a WFPB diet good for some pets and not others?

Yes, you can eat them too if you aren't WFPB.

Chickens, dogs, turtles if cooked right, DON'T EAT PET ROCKS.

Bad for plump tasty pets.

[enigmaT120]

I eat for a living

Seriously? How did you get that kind of job? I think I could be good at that.

I inspect processed fruit and vegetables for the USDA, and eating them is pretty much required since flavor is one of the factors in the grade. Today I probably ate a couple pounds of frozen blueberries. I do eat more than is required for most of the products. The only non-healthy stuff we eat is at an MRE production facility where they make entrees for military MREs, and even those things are very processed, but high in protein. And salt, but I sweat enough that I don't worry about that. Think Mountain House back packing meals but with minimum protein requirements.

SustainableHappiness, that was funny.

[slsdly]

@Dragline: Ah yes, my numbers are in mmol/L.

[slowtraveler]

This reminds me that Harrari in the "Sapeins" youtube series mentions that we likely evolved to eat marrow at one point. Then we evolved to eat something else, but I love the adaptability we display. It's hard to find a native group that eats 0 animal products. But they eat very differently than do most modern people. They eat the meat and organs (guts, intestines, heart, liver, kidneys, eyes, genitals, everything edible), marrow, make a broth and it is nearly always a smaller part of the caloric composition than plant based foods. In today's world, most people eat the same parts and there's way more pollution concentrating in the food chain.

We've also come up with other ways to get high amounts of the nutrient needs provided by meats without the exposure.