I don't disagree. I did suggest that not every increase in insulin is a spike, which is probably where the minor misunderstanding occurs. My wording from my previous post:BRUTE wrote:is chad positive that gluconeogenesis is the only way protein can spike insulin? brute is honestly unsure. gluconeogenesis is definitely a thing, and many ketogenic dieters limit their protein intake because of it - overdoing protein can kick humans out of ketosis because it raises blood sugar so much.Chad wrote:Protein can cause a small spike in insulin (always increases insulin, just not always a spike), but it's not guaranteed too. It causes the spike in insulin by being converted to glucose by the liver. If the body doesn't need more glucose it won't necessarily manufacture more just because protein is available.
but is there evidence there's absolutely no insulin spike from meats without gluconeogenesis? brute has experienced what feels suspiciously like insulin-crashing from eating tons of fat. (and brute means really a lot of fat, over 1000kcal in one sitting on WD).
brute should finally get an insulin meter.
The amount of food is also a determining factor for an insulin spike. The big difference is that most people experience larger spikes on carbs and don't need as many carbs to get the spike, when compared to protein/fat.Protein can cause a small spike in insulin (always increases insulin, just not always a spike),
Of course, there are other variables impacting the carb spike, or any food spike, like fiber, exercise, genetics, etc.
The best thing is to test yourself. I can eat an 8 ounce steak, 6-8 ounces of cheese, all the vegetables I want (covered in butter), a little fruit and even a piece or two of multi-grain bread (fiber, fat, and protein seem to blunt any spike for me) and not see a spike in insulin (blood glucose goes up a little, but not a spike). It should be noted this is a cheat meal, which only happens once a week. If I did it every night I might decrease my sensitivity. Normally, I do a lower carb diet, less than 100g a day (usually around 80g all from vegetables and a little fruit), the rest of the time.
The next step is putting myself in ketosis. I'm probably fairly close right now (usually supposed to eat less than 25g carbs per day), but I won't know until I buy the proper stuff to test it. I don't know if ketosis will work for me or not, but I really like my current diet which is close. Also, it might just be too much of a pain in the ass to follow, but I'm interested to find out.
All of this kind of fascinates me, as it's getting easier to measure everything. I got a kit from 23andMe for Christmas and I'm looking forward to getting those results back. It may or may not be interesting now, but it might be going forward.