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Re: Syria

Post by jennypenny » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:32 pm

Now we know why Bannon was bounced from the NSC.

I'm beyond disappointed in tonight's actions. How can they even be sure of the facts yet to be sure they aren't being baited?

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Post by OTCW » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:33 am

jennypenny wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:32 pm
Now we know why Bannon was bounced from the NSC.

I'm beyond disappointed in tonight's actions. How can they even be sure of the facts yet to be sure they aren't being baited?
I'd say they were being tested, not necessarily baited.

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Post by Chad » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:53 am

I'm not sure how this reaction is a surprise. It's not like Trump is known for a thick skin and the chemical use brought out a lot of criticism from Congress that can sound very personal to a guy like Trump.

Plus, the guy is a ping pong ball. He jumps from one issue to another really fast, so it seems highly unlikely he does more than skim the surface or put in a lot of thought on any one issue.

The big question is the response to Assad if he does this again or expands the use of chemical weapons to multiple instances. If you make the decision for the first strike, you almost have to followup with continued strikes for new incidents. If you don't, the first strike could be viewed as weaker than not doing anything. This, of course, could have consequences with Russia and Iran.

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Post by jennypenny » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:54 am

I'm disappointed because this is always our reaction. It's not just Trump. Every president drops bombs on somebody. Obama wanted to execute this exact plan but congress wouldn't let him. I was hoping Trump's isolationist tendencies would win out. Judging by the positive bipartisan reaction in congress, I assume the administration will see this action through to the end, whatever that turns out to be.

Please don't get me wrong, I abhor what happened in Syria. It's just ... how many countries can we be at war with at once?

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Post by Chad » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:21 am

I'm not arguing against your suggestion that we need to give these actions more thought and should probably do less of them (including drone strikes). I'm just suggesting Trump isn't the guy who will reliably follow that course of action. Even if he does for a few months it's highly likely his personality won't be able to keep making the same decision consistently. He just seems to need chaos constantly and has no attention span, which makes him very unreliable.

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Post by George the original one » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:02 am

The other problem with the action is I seriously doubt Trump considered all the chess move options. We've just lost coordination with Russian air strikes, China doesn't care (e.g. oh, I see you're busy elsewhere), EU nations dislike unilateral action, North Korea is on a completely different agenda so action in Syria isn't sending a message that will be received, and every muslim nation is going to see it as further proof of US bullying unless they're on Turkey's side in the Syria conflict.

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Post by jacob » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:27 am

A cruise missile strike on a military airfield is a proportional response and just about the smallest action one can take while still taking an action. Low cost attack on a low value target. Basically a slap on the wrist. I also see this as "testing". If this is chess, it would be the Queen's gambit. Doing nothing would have handed control over to Syria/Iran/Russia. This would not have been smart for an administration that is looking to increase its dependence/control of Middle East energy---unpossible to be(come) isolationist and still import so much oil.

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Post by Tyler9000 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:16 pm

George the original one wrote:
Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:02 am
The other problem with the action is I seriously doubt Trump considered all the chess move options.
Judging from the immediate responses, it looks like Trump is getting good diplomatic advice.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/07/world/syr ... -reaction/

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Re: Syria

Post by Chad » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:34 pm

Yeah, he seems to have actually listened to the sane advisers for once. Including the warning to Russia, so they could remove their personnel.

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Post by enigmaT120 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:57 pm

My first reaction to hearing about the gas attack was, why would Assad do that? The stories we see seem to try to paint him as some crazy who just loves hurting people. For once I'm inclined to agree with Scott Adams' take:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1592649810 ... persuasion

He wrote that before Trump's swift and scary looking response.

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Re: Syria

Post by Ego » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:39 pm

Right question. Wrong answer.

Both Putin and Trump needed to prove that Trump isn't Putin's poodle. How many days ago was it that Comey confirmed before congress that the FBI was investigating the claim that Putin installed Trump in the White House and how the Trump campaign was coordinated through Moscow? I predict a lot of choreographed saber rattling with many innocents caught in the middle for years to come. Swift and scary indeed.

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Re: Syria

Post by Chad » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:50 pm

Shouldn't have broken my new rule.

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