Who'd a thunk it? Obamacare not repealed

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Post by black_son_of_gray » Wed May 17, 2017 10:40 pm

@7w5: I see your point - no exercise can prepare you for everything. I must say, though, about the springy mattress - when I was doing lots of squats, my backside got to the point where buying pants that fit was a nontrivial problem. About as good fall protection as I think I'll ever have.

It's not always the exercise itself that directly matters- often the myriad fringe benefits end up being more useful in unexpected situations. E.g. having a generous "cushioning", being limber, developing quicker or more accurate reflexes, balance. Basically, if you expand your operating range through training, the more likely any given curve-ball life throws at you will stay within that range. For most people, that will mean focusing on the things you are worse at rather than developing any given physical trait to excellence.

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Post by halfmoon » Wed May 17, 2017 11:00 pm

Riggerjack wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 8:16 pm
I am 7.5 years older than my wife. Actuarial tables make it very clear that odds of me out living her are very slim. When those late life decisions need to be made, those years left in her life will be a much higher priority than any additional months in mine.
Ah, Riggerjack...you remind me of my DH (21 years older than I). I know your motives are extremely unselfish, though it's not so clear-cut. I'm projecting here, but I'm going to go ahead and assume that you're the center of your wife's life. Switch places for a moment, because it's clear that you love her deeply. If her long-term existence is threatened in the (overwhelmingly common) absence of certain imminent death, I'm pretty sure you'll do and pay what it takes to keep her alive. She would undoubtedly do the same for you. That's how it will go regardless of avowed intention, unless of course one of you is terminal and in pain.

It's not easy to let go, and it's often not a dramatic one-time choice. More of a slow attrition.

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Post by IlliniDave » Thu May 18, 2017 3:13 am

BRUTE wrote:
Wed May 17, 2017 9:54 pm


the main benefit of the olympic lifts (c&j, snatch) over the slower powerlifting moves (squatz, deadz) isn't in strength per se, but in power and explosiveness. brute also finds the c&j the most functional of all the moves he's ever performed in a gym - it allows him to lift regular day to day items to hip and overhead level easily, with safe technique.
I would add flexibility, coordination, and balance. Not sure those movements are great for the elderly per se, but probably good for midlifers who want to preserve physical ability longer and prevent injury from falls and the like in out years.

Clean/jerk is also the perfect movement to practice for lifting a double-wide garage door after one of the counterbalance springs breaks. I amazed my neighbor!

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Post by 7Wannabe5 » Thu May 18, 2017 6:18 am

Well, my limiting factor on performing clean&jerk at the moment, is 3rd world, not 1st world health problem. I keep picking up healthy kid bugs from my grubby little recently immigrated students. I am currently suffering from acute bronchitis and viral pink eye. I may have to choose to bring the "join the Peace Corps" phase of my-do-my-20s-in-my-40s/50s lifestyle plan to an end sooner than anticipated.
black_son_of_gray wrote:For most people, that will mean focusing on the things you are worse at rather than developing any given physical trait to excellence.
True. What I am worst at in the moment is dealing with chagrin after recent viewing of video of myself riding away upon a bicycle and the tiresomeness of endlessly coughing up green sputum. However, I cheered myself up by teaching myself how to butt-clap, so now if I so choose, I can make myself totally ridiculous and offensive at wedding receptions when I am 80. I hate getting old.

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Post by IlliniDave » Thu May 18, 2017 7:00 am

7Wannabe5 wrote:
Wed May 17, 2017 9:07 pm
@IlliniDave: Maybe I haven't done them right when attempted, but the arm part is much more difficult for me. I have never broken a bone, so I'm not super worried about bone density yet either. However, I do intend to continue to eat as much full fat yogurt and sweet potatoes as I desire. I spent almost nothing on either health insurance or health care in the last year, so I really shouldn't complain. However, everybody I know is appalled that I didn't seek treatment for my facial paralysis, so I am obviously an outlier of some sort.
Yes, likely your form was an issue. For me leaning the movements was a process that took months before I attempted weights that would be a challenge because of their heaviness.

You can do all the movements with dumb bells too--smaller weights but stabilizing is more of a challenge as weight creeps up.

The arms/shoulders do exert some effort in Oly lifts, after all you holding something up off the ground. It's hard to dynamically load your lower power chain above what the top half of your body weighs without effort from your arms/shoulders/upper back, unless you want to buy machines or join a fitness place. Best bet is maybe back squats, but I don't know how helpful they would be as a preventative for octogenarian falling issues. Certainly better than doing nothing, but they are not total body movements the way the Oly stuff is.

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Post by BRUTE » Thu May 18, 2017 11:41 am

7Wannabe5 wrote:
Thu May 18, 2017 6:18 am
Well, my limiting factor on performing clean&jerk at the moment, is [...] acute bronchitis and viral pink eye.
that seems very non-specific to c&j and would prevent a human from probably most exercise or other physical activity.

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Post by 7Wannabe5 » Fri May 19, 2017 4:28 pm

IlliniDave said:You can do all the movements with dumb bells too--smaller weights but stabilizing is more of a challenge as weight creeps up.
Yeah, I think that is where it went wrong for me. I was using dumb bells that could adjust to 30 lbs each, and 60 lbs. over my head was really unstable, but 60 lbs. added to body weight on squat is pretty easy for me. Something like that.

@BRUTE: I rode my bike and planted 11 bare root trees and shrubs while I was continuously coughing, but it wasn't fun.

To wrap back around to the original topic of this thread, I think I was trying to make a point about the difference between acute illness, chronic disease, and fitness. We often use the word "health" rather haphazardly to refer to any of these, and other states of being. Most of us don't think that running every day is likely to prevent us from catching pink eye if we neglect to wash our hands, but ...

Anyways, I have a bronze Obamacare plan for which I pay $0/month. When half my face suddenly became paralyzed, I looked on the internet and determined it was likely Bell's Palsy, so I didn't seek medical care. My friend whose stock market accounts topped 65 million for the first time a couple weeks ago, tried to make me go to the doctor and he would pay for it, but I wouldn't go. So, I am (once again!) agreeing with Riggerjack. The only reason why people make medical professionals the exception to the rule of self-sufficiency or free choice is that they are not willing to face their own mortality.

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Post by CS » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:09 am

I haven't keep up in this thread, but just logged in to say that my State just funded money for the participants of the exchange to make up for the Republicans pulling money from behind the scenes (hence the rate jacking). My premiums went from 330 something to 560 this past year. Then the state stepped in and now my premium is 424. I am not on any sort of subsidy, since my income is so erratic.

It pays to live in a blue state. The taxes do pay for something, and I'm glad of it. Also, fyi, this support for the residents was a blue and red effort - must give credit where credit is due.

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Post by CS » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:18 am

OTCW wrote:
Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:48 pm
CS wrote:
2. Premium increases are actually much less than the five years prior to it's implementation.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower ... der-obama/
That article is over 2 years old. My premium for a bronze plan was $150 a month then. Now it is $350 a month.

Next year there aren't any exchange plans being offered in my area. I live in a medium to large city with lots of young people.

The ACA is dying and needs fixing. That mess the Republicans developed wasn't going to fix anything and it rightfully died. There is so much political theater going on on both sides over healthcare that I doubt it ever gets fixed.
The ACA is dying because it is being actively sabotaged. See what Rubio did behind the scenes to pull funding. This was an intentional move that screwed over millions of people just to win an election in 2016.

Universal healthcare works in many countries. We don't have it here because of the parasites of the insurance companies, the lack of bargaining power with the drug companies (keep us going to Canada, eh?), and greed in the medical field in general. I work in the medical field, and I'll tell you, I'm overpaid and I'm not even a doctor. I've worked for doctors that bill 4.5 Million a year. I'm actively planning on my job going away due to wages dropping significantly. And I think that's a good thing for the population.

Writing healthcare off as not being fixable lets people off the hook for not doing better. We deserve better.

Personally, I think if the insurance companies can't offer something on the exchange in a state, they shouldn't be allowed to operate in that state. They are in business off the infrastructure of that state. They can put back in and be good corporate citizens. Or they can go out of business and make room for others. Either one works for me.

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Post by IlliniDave » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:23 am

CS wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:09 am

It pays to live in a blue state. The taxes do pay for something, and I'm glad of it. Also, fyi, this support for the residents was a blue and red effort - must give credit where credit is due.
I live in the reddest of red states now. The state's flagship university's sports teams are even named after the color. But once I ER I'll be hanging my hat in one of three states in order of likelihood: Illinois, Wisconsin, or Minnesota (blue, purple/temporarily red, and about as blue as it gets, respectively). So I'm sort of cheating by earning and accumulating in a red state then heading to a blue state as a not-in-the-labor-force sub-median "fixed-income" person. It's not a financially-driven choice, so I don't feel guilty.

Of course all that's still a couple years in the future, and the future is murky.

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Post by BRUTE » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:03 am

looking at the county map, Illinois is only blue around Chicago. the rest is entirely red. this is likely true for all "blue" states.

i.e. there are almost no blue or red states, there are states dominated by their metro areas (blue) or not (red).

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Post by IlliniDave » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:56 am

BRUTE wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:03 am
looking at the county map, Illinois is only blue around Chicago. the rest is entirely red. this is likely true for all "blue" states.

i.e. there are almost no blue or red states, there are states dominated by their metro areas (blue) or not (red).
That's correct. But if you zoom in more maybe, nearly every significant city in Illinois is Blue. The same is true in Alabama. I imagine it is true nearly everywhere. We're at the tipping point where soon the urban populations will call all the shots. DT may be the last president elected without widespread support from the major urban centers, or at least a good share of them.
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Post by bryan » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:02 pm

@IlliniDave, roll tide? AL just needs Saban to be governor then it will turn into OR. Huntsville continues to grow, Birmingham/JeffCo gets some better governance, and the state shifts to some OR policies and all of a sudden the state will be a pretty nice place (except for global warming).

From travelling around just a bit in the US, I think my decision would involve how the state (and citizens) treats land e.g. I prefer CA/WA/OR's openness to TX's endless fences. Healthcare factors would probably more likely be centred around availability/quality/cost of care rather than social safety nets (though I would like it if the state had some teeth, like CA/TX).

edit: @IlliniDave AL confirmed :P So you think the voting scheme will be changed? I doubt it, short-term. edit2: though I think your prediction will end up panning out for other reasons.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Post by IlliniDave » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:25 pm

bryan wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:02 pm
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From travelling around just a bit in the US, I think my decision would involve how the state (and citizens) treats land e.g. I prefer CA/WA/OR's openness to TX's endless fences. Healthcare factors would probably more likely be centred around availability/quality/cost of care rather than social safety nets (though I would like it if the state had some teeth, like CA/TX).
Yep, Alabama. My decision where to land involves family first, hence Illinois and Wisconsin as candidates (folks live maybe 15 mi from ILL/WI border), and secondarily where my summertime hideout is (MN). Illinois is tax-wise very favorable regarding "retirement" income, Minnesota not so much. Unsure about Wisconsin. Property taxes in Illinois are pretty steep, but the value of what I'll own there will be low (in part because the tax rates put a lot of downward pressure on prices that is not offset by demand in most of my hometown area). Wisconsin is even higher and Minnesota is lower but still 3X Alabama.

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Post by Laura Ingalls » Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:28 pm

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Post by BRUTE » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:15 pm

The one package people are highly pleased with is Medicaid. Let’s mirror that.
lol

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