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Re: Tesla Cars

Post by Chad » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:07 pm

Tesla is obviously overpriced based on normal valuation measures, but so was Amazon in the early 2000's. overpriced doesn't mean it won't go up.

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Re: Tesla Cars

Post by anomie » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:05 am

point taken.

I just wanted to share the valuation of Tesla for the investors. It is the first valuation analysis I have ever seen.I should not have added that comment about being overpriced - was not even sure of term to use. I am not a stock investor, nor do I play one on tv.

Tesla is one of the sexiest companies out there, though. Rocket ships, electric cars, travel loops. oh my. Latest I heard in an ironic flip == Elon Musk took inspiration from Iron Man movie to build a new technology:
Elon Musk Goes Iron Man with 3D User Interface for Rockets
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/07/ ... or-rockets

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Re: Tesla Cars

Post by lazyboy » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:57 am

@workathome: thanks! best video ever! still rofl :lol:

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Re: Tesla Cars

Post by vivacious » Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:29 pm

Fucking hell. I was scared of the Tesla train because it seems like it could just implode at any minute. Somehow after being at 160-170 for weeks it skyrocketed to 185 the last couple days. It's at about 181.75 after a fresh check now. It looked like it was already starting to go down after peaking around 171 or so and looked like it was going down to about 160 or so.

http://www.valuewalk.com/2013/09/tesla- ... s-hit-185/

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Re: Tesla Cars

Post by workathome » Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:52 pm

The whole market went up with the taper off announcement. Instead of worrying about the price going up or down, you'd be better off learning about how to analyze and value companies, then deciding if you think something is undervalued, overvalued, etc. Or make a decision based on behavioral analysis. Or even technical (which seems to be similar to astrology imo). Doing the coin-flipping and emotion-buying/selling is a sure way to eventually lose a lot of money, though the gamble might pay off in the short run.

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Re: Tesla Cars

Post by Chad » Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:57 pm

workathome wrote:Or even technical (which seems to be similar to astrology imo).
It's not astrology. No wild guesses, no faith, and no belief. Basically, technical analysis is trying to measure behavioral psychology. Obviously, it's an art and not a science.

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Post by workathome » Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:21 pm

Thanks. That makes sense, I was mostly thinking of reading into things like "heads and shoulders" which I thought were shown to have no statistical accuracy.

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Post by vivacious » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:10 pm

workathome wrote:Doing the coin-flipping and emotion-buying/selling is a sure way to eventually lose a lot of money, though the gamble might pay off in the short run.
I absolutely agree.

I did put Tesla on a watchlist earlier this year though. Then some stuff came up in my life and I kind of forgot about it and didn't ever get any. I knew it was going to go up. I didn't think it would go up this fast though.

Opportunities come and go. It can be a little frustrating when you miss out on an 8 bagger though.

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Re: Tesla Cars

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Re: Tesla Cars

Post by vivacious » Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:55 pm

Ya. I'm sure it will go down in some capacity pretty soon.

The future could be bright though. It may well be a decent long term stock after getting a little tumble out of the way pretty soon here.

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Re: Tesla Cars

Post by George the original one » Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:06 pm

What if the financial goal of Tesla is to be bought out? How would that change one's perception of the current valuation?

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Post by workathome » Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:23 pm

@George - Good point! But who would be dumb enough to pay the current valuation (28 billion???) versus dropping the money to build their own internal devision?

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Re: Tesla Cars

Post by George the original one » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:25 pm

There have been plenty of dumb deals in this world. Maybe not on the scale of Tesla's valuation, but remember AOL/Time-Warner?

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Post by Seneca » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:01 pm

Down 10% earlier but enjoying a bit of a bounce.

http://quotes.wsj.com/TSLA?mod=inlineTicker%3f

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Re: Tesla Cars

Post by vivacious » Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:07 pm

Ya. I still think it's too stressful to hold. Maybe if it becomes more steady in the future. I don't really want to have it now though.

Jeez, -22 after hours also. After hours can be a little unstable but still.

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Re: Tesla Cars

Post by vivacious » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:48 pm

And the implosion is here. Fell 25 points today. At 151.16 and then exactly 150 after hours.

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Post by workathome » Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:01 am

So, we're back to half GM's market cap. Time to short again?

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Post by Ricky » Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:36 pm

Musk is an unsung hero. Nearly no one I talk to knows who he is - its flooring. He has had an entrepreneurial spirit his entire life and will likely die days after he starts his last company. Fascinating dude and I would buy a Tesla in a heartbeat if I didn't think owning a car over >$25,000 was absolute nuts.

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Post by workathome » Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:39 pm

Odds of him actually coming out with a 30k car?

I hope so. It could cause a shift in what is acceptable - it would be nice to see a lot of the ridiculous giant trucks with one passenger and nothing being hauled off the road.

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Post by Veritas » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:33 am

Well, nowadays plenty of people know what Musk does. I'm personally a huge fan of his and have been since before the first Falcon 1 explosion. Naturally that was kind of hard.

But there's no way I'd buy stock in any of his companies. I don't think that the economics for electric cars will ever make it a truly high profit industry on the level that I demand from companies I buy. Furthermore, he has a great track record of turning money into technology, but not a great track record of returning shareholder value through company cashflows. Anything else is just greater fool stock trading. Tesla stock is little more than a baseball card at this point.

If I were to invest in Musk's companies, it would have to be in a way that infuses them with cash, and it would have to be money I would never expect to see again. That said, as Larry Page put it, giving to conventional charities doesn't make sense when you can give money to Elon Musk.

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Re: Tesla Cars

Post by Peanut » Sat Feb 21, 2015 1:21 pm

I can't take Musk seriously anymore since I read he married and divorced the same woman twice. (I kid.)

Wasn't he just hoping against hope that Tim Cook would buy out his potlatch company? Instead Apple's gonna make their own car.
If there's one stock I would break my rule to short it would be TSLA.

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Re: Tesla Cars

Post by workathome » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:55 am

Has anyone come up with a clever scheme to justify buying a Tesla vehicle yet?

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Re: Tesla Cars

Post by jacob » Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:47 pm

Scheme? There are already rather large government tax rebates, etc.

The problem is that from a value proposition electric cars are inferior relative to combustion engine (ICE) cars. The latter are cheaper to make, they go farther on the tank, they're less complex to build, etc. Keep in mind that electric cars are not a novel invention. The first electric car/vehicle dates back to 1835 (that's 30 years after Napoleon!). Until around 1900, electric cars were the preferred technology and held the ground speed record until they were replaced with ICEs. We're not talking about an amazing new technology here. We're talking about a technology that predates the current gas powered car technology by 50-75 years depending on how you count.

The current subsidies are intended to get people to prefer them again (without massive subsidies, practically nobody or rather only extreme eco-tech hippies would buy them). Of course the hope is that maybe all that money will be going into building cars that are better than ICE cars. One major issue is that all the innovation in terms of batteries and electric motors has gone towards making cars heavier and faster (e.g. sportscars) rather than making them go farther or more efficiently. Maybe that's a clever scheme to get people with more money than sense (those who buy 0-60mph within 3 seconds cars to drive around in traffic where the average speed is 18mph) to fund the research. Maybe said research can eventually be used to build e-cars that are much lighter and slower ... e.g. a car that weighs 500 pounds and goes 40mph ... when the time comes when the world can no longer afford the waste.

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