Hedonic Inflation in the Bathroom

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Eureka said: Sedentary lifestyle is a very recent phenomenon, though, and did not arise together with the agricultural revolution 10,000 years ago.

Those early farmers - and all the following - worked their butts off basically all of their lives. A sedentary lifestyle contains very limited physical activity. Sedentary activities include sitting, car driving, watching television, computer use, lying on the couch, etc.
Right. I have always noticed that gardeners live longer, but are not particularly thin. This recent BBC documentary on aging shows evidence of why at 6:45. It's the stress of modern life that is killer, and running on a treadmill is not enough relief. It shows the sit-rise test Dragline posted at the beginning of the episode. My take-away from watching the whole episode is that I am already doing excellent because I avoid stress like the plague, eat less meat than most people, have (and plan to do my best to maintain) the hormonal profile that deposits fat subcutaneously rather than viscerally, and I do lots of low key mixed function activities throughout my day rather than high-speed repetitive activities at one juncture of the day. Also, I can easily get a 9 out of 10 on the sit-rise test , and I can also put my feet all the way behind my head, touch my toes to the ground and then roll forward and jump right to my feet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuwcGu59RwM

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7Wannabe5 wrote:Right. I have always noticed that gardeners live longer, but are not particularly thin. This recent BBC documentary on aging shows evidence of why at 6:45. It's the stress of modern life that is killer, and running on a treadmill is not enough relief. ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuwcGu59RwM
Gardeners live longer than who? The general population? That's an awfully short yardstick to measure oneself against.

Gardening is like golf, better than nothing but certainly not ideal.

In the video they compared the DNA methylation of two sets of twins where one twin was high-stress and the other moderately overweight. False dilemma. Avoid both!

Epigenetics is a burgeoning field. A new study is published almost every day extolling the benefits of strenuous exercise on DNA methylation (the measure they used in the BBC video). Here is one from last Friday about what happens to the DNA of brain cells in mice that do strenuous exercise. There are many human studies as well.

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 720_1.html

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Ego said: Gardeners live longer than who? The general population? That's an awfully weak yardstick to measure oneself against.

Gardening is like golf, better than nothing but certainly not ideal.
The only 3 individuals I have personally met who were living happily and independently into their mid-90s were all avid gardeners. Unlike riding on an exercise bike, gardening (like dancing which they showed later in the documentary above to have better health results AND greater compliance than exercising on gym equipment) is not just a single activity, and it can be much more strenuous than golf. For instance, my gardening morning might consist of filling a 16 gallon tub with water, hauling it a mile in a cart to my vacant lot, repeatedly hopping up on a spade to break up hardcore soil. squatting to pull out very resistant weeds, reaching up to lop high vines, etc. etc. Also, I think your body knows when you are doing something real vs. something fake. The problem with exercising in a gym with yourself all hooked up to meters to track your metrics is that you are treating yourself like a laboratory rat. It's like having sex with a robot. It's better for individuals to engage themselves in the physical activities that they enjoy at any level because then they will do them more often. I don't like running. I don't like boring stinky gyms with no sunshine. I don't like team sports with ugly uniforms and stupid meaningless goals. I like gardening. I like dancing. I like taking a leisurely swim at sunset. I like hiking out-of-doors when it is snowing. I like bicycling for fun and transportation, wearing some chinos on a bike with a big straw basket on the front, not garishly colored stretchy shorts . I don't compare myself to the general population or any population. I compare myself to me being relatively healthy and happy vs. me being less healthy and happy.

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Venus of Willendorf's waist to height ratio was 1.6. (however she ever came into this thread).

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7Wannabe5 wrote: The only 3 individuals I have personally met who were living happily and independently into their mid-90s were all avid gardeners...
An observation that suffers from family wise error rate, confounding variables, and small-sample extremes.

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Eureka said: Venus of Willendorf's waist to height ratio was 1.6. (however she ever came into this thread).
Shhhh...she might be pregnant. One theory is that she represents earliest known example of pornography. Therefore, she may be more the imaginatively "clay-shopped" erotic ideal of one individual, than realistic depiction of actual human female of that time and realm. The reason why she came into this thread is that Ego once stated that it was his position that anybody with a BMI over 25 should pay higher health insurance premiums, and since I am a very frugal person with a BMI of 27, a Waist-to-Height ratio of .47, a Waist-to-Hip ratio of .72, resting pulse of 58, consistently low normal blood pressure, very good blood sugar and cholesterol results, and ability to squat right down azz-to-grass no problem, this practice, if enacted would, IMHO, amount to financial discrimination against myself and all other heavy-hipped women. Not all of us were meant to run along side the antelope and then throw spear with enough power to pierce its hide. Some of us were meant to provide in utero nourishment to ridiculously large-brained species, and then squat down and somehow release that giant brain-case out of our body, then trudge along for miles every day with baby on hip or at breast, sack full of dried mulberries on back, and poking stick with which to stab some lizard meat. Because the antelope runners are no good if they can't run, the Goddess gave them a hormonal profile that causes their hearts to explode when they stop running. Since the heavy-hipped trudgers are still useful for a while longer into middle-age, the Goddess gave us a hormonal profile that keeps our hearts going as long as we keep trudging. Of course, it's a bit more complex than that, but another sign is that a few years before one of the antelope runners hearts is about to explode, the Goddess puts a curse on him that renders him pretty much incapable of fathering another child.
FBeyer said: An observation that suffers from family wise error rate, confounding variables, and small-sample extremes.
True-ish. I would agree that statistics should be limited to large populations, but that goes for both generation and application. Once you are faced with a given individual, inclusive of a variety of known facts about this individual, then application of any statistically generated metric may become more or less moot. AND, the main point I am trying to make, and actually in agreement with Ego's stance in his 1st World Problems thread, is that it is a ridiculous procedure to reduce a complex human problem down to a measurement that can be made a laboratory, and then offer the laboratory procedure as simplistic prescription for a complex problem. Why do people not enjoy running on a treadmill? Maybe for some or many, it is because it makes them uncomfortably aware of their physical limitations, but for many other people, including many of those who also experience pain from the activity, it is also dead boring activity. Maybe, just maybe, that message from your brain and body that an activity is boring is actually one that should be acknowledged as valid. Maybe people should be encouraged to engage in more complex activities even if they aren't as efficient at quickly raising heart and respiration rate to strenuous aerobic level because that would improve both compliance and complex development and co-ordination of various physiological factors.

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just for reference, brute finds running in nature just as boring as running on a treadmill.

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7Wannabe5 wrote:The reason why she came into this thread is that Ego once stated that it was his position that anybody with a BMI over 25 should pay higher health insurance premiums.
You're just looking for someone to subsidize your pączki habit. :D

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@Ego: Thanks so much for the graph. I am clearly in the danger zone since my mean medical expenditures over the last 10 years would indicate that my BMI is around 2 or 3. I might disappear right off the chart if I don't go get some more preventative testing pretty soon. I wonder if my insurance covers DNA methylation analysis?

You're just looking for someone to subsidize your pączki habit. :D
Nah, paczki are pretty cheap, and there are 3 antelope runners keeping me pretty well fed in exchange for my hedonic inflationary contribution to their continuing heart health. In an equitable world with more complex actuarial charts, I should be getting sizable kickbacks all over the place from health insurance plans ;)

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7Wannabe5 wrote:my hedonic inflationary contribution to their continuing heart health
70% max heart rate or more the HIIT stuff? brute recommends going for rounds, or reverse stacked pyramid (15+13+11+9..)

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Yeah, I would like that chart extended farther to the left as well. There has to be a point at which it starts going back up, and probably very fast. Still a great chart, I'd never seen that one before. The costs are so high. Are insurance premiums included? There are probably a few in each BMI category that need the bulk of the health care, with many more on the lower ends to counterbalance them.

My health care costs must be higher than 7wb5's, as I get my teeth cleaned twice a year, purchase hay fever medicine, and generally visit my chiropractor and massage therapist once or twice a year. And need glasses.

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The chart is taken from this study.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 142222.htm

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I said: my hedonic inflationary contribution to their continuing heart health
BRUTE said: 70% max heart rate or more the HIIT stuff?
Well, obviously, I am referencing the results of this and related studies.
A report from the Massachusetts Male Aging Study agrees that sex may be protective. The subjects were men between 40 and 70 who were randomly selected residents of the Boston area. A total of 1,165 men were eligible for the study and agreed to participate. None of the men had cardiovascular disease when they enrolled in the 17-year study; 213 of the men had erectile dysfunction and were analyzed separately. Among the 952 men with intact erectile function, men who had sex once a month or less were 45% more likely to develop cardiovascular disease than the men who had sex two or more times a week. The link between sexual activity and cardiac health was not explained by conventional cardiac risk factors or a man’s satisfaction with his relationships.
Since, as the article Ego posted made clear, the greatest increases in medical expenses due to increasing BMI are related to cardio-vascular disease, the fact is that I am donating my time and the midlife remnants of my feminine energy to an activity likely to decrease the medical expenses of up to 3 other individuals by roughly (.8) (1.45) ($3500) = $12,180 /year !!! AND, even if I had not presented clear evidence of other mediating factors of my likely future expense due to BMI, such as the fact that my waist-to-hip ratio is in the excellent range even for a much younger woman, and the World Health Organization is on record that this is a more relevant measure than BMI because of the importance of visceral vs. subcutaneous fat, and my mother, who is the only non-smoker, light drinker, heavy eater (similar shape but MUCH higher BMI than me) in my family tree, at age 76 shows zero sign of either diabetes or cardiovascular illness, my yearly increased burden on societal health care expenses would only be approximately $400. Thus, my personal behavior is consistent with a net societal decrease in health care costs of AT LEAST $11,780/year!!!

In fact, there is pretty compelling evidence that the effects of my behavior go even further than this. For instance, because the Peacemaker's wife has now banned him from engaging in some categories of heart healthy activity with me, the two of us went on a group bike ride together this week. The Peacemaker's wife can't go on a long bike ride with him because her legs hurt, she is too heavy and she smokes, but because she knew he was biking with me, she made an appointment with her doctor to find out what is wrong with her legs.

One of the things I always think about is whether or not something is arbitrary. I think it is arbitrary that when many people think about getting back into shape or maintaining fitness, they go right to something like "Run X miles in Y time." , so then everybody ends up trying to do the same thing and that is so boring to me. I think it is more interesting if some people try to do other things like "Dig 18 X12X1 pit in urban hardcore soil using only hand tools" or "Have sex every day." or "Feed self out of dumpster."

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everything is arbitrary.

brute is going to call it "heart healthy activity" from now on :D

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Why we love luxury items
http://www.thebookoflife.org/why-we-con ... ve-things/
This issue needs to be addressed urgently because it’s remarkably stressful to live in a society where luxury seems like a necessary route to a good life. The implicit philosophy of luxury goods is that the ingredients of fulfilment lie considerably outside an ordinary salary; which condemns a huge section of society to feelings of incompleteness.

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The economics of renting a study bedroom for a student in HE in the UK is something like this ... (2016 figures)

£5000 p.a. for a single study bedroom with a shared bathroom. Hand basin in the room and bathroom shared between 3-4 students within the same flat (2-3 bathrooms per flat) and cleaned daily by college cleaning staff.

£5400 p.a. for a single study bedroom with an en suite bathroom. This incorporates a compact bathroom within the room size, so less space for study and bedroom. Bathroom cleaned by cleaning staff once a week.

This is a £10 surcharge per week and apparently en suite rooms (which are the majority of rooms in the college that DS will attend) are likely to be insufficient to meet supply. Good thing that he is going the economy route.

Whatever happened to students sharing bedrooms (let alone bathrooms)?

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Couldn't you get a house share for less? Students don't have to live in university accommodation. But you may be talking about London, in which case that's probably not beatable :)

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@HeyHey, after first year that will be what he most likely does, but its a campus based uni so being there the first year means he can make friends to share with after that. This is the cheapest type of room on his campus, he could opt for a kitchenette instead of sharing (i.e. be totally antisocial) and then pay London prices (over £8k) for a single room 'studio'. I was pointing out that he can save £400 and get more room space just by not having an en suite.

Definitely glad that he is not going South for his Uni ed. That will help him a lot (not only during university years but afterwards if he develops links to the place).

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