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Smashter
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Re: Addictions & Unhealthy Habits

Post by Smashter » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:19 am

7Wannabe5 wrote: I would also note that a lot of what passes for "normalcy" in our culture is really low-level functional depression brought on by lack of physical exertion, low exposure to sunlight, and rigid adherence to dull routine. As in "sitting in my beige cubicle, entering data into a form" vs. "riding my pony across the tundra on the hunt."
This makes a lot of sense to me. I would guess the functional depression is the main contributing factor to the high number of functional alcoholics in my line of work. You can't ride a pony across the tundra, but you can definitely ride the mechanical bull at the Saddle Ranch after 5 margaritas.

On my walk home in the evening, I usually pass a Coors Light ad that displays a picture of a beer with the tagline: "Your Commute Can Wait"

It always saddens me. I read it as saying: "Got nothing to look forward to at home but a TV dinner and a shitty sitcom? Might as well get drunk!"

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Re: Addictions & Unhealthy Habits

Post by 7Wannabe5 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:21 am

Smashter said: On my walk home in the evening, I usually pass a Coors Light ad that displays a picture of a beer with the tagline: "Your Commute Can Wait"

It always saddens me. I read it as saying: "Got nothing to look forward to at home but a TV dinner and a shitty sitcom? Might as well get drunk!"
Yeah, wouldn't it be cooler if there was something like a trail head with a sign that said "Your job can wait." I do not always practice as I preach, but I am a firm believer that if you aren't getting an hour of sunshine and an hour of physical activity each day then you really shouldn't be self-medicating or medicating for depression, and generally your priorities are way out of whack.

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Re: Addictions & Unhealthy Habits

Post by Lucas » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:53 am

@BRUTE: Oh, indeed; I was focusing on its "uncomfortable" aspect; after all, and interestingly, the symptoms I mentioned are the same exhibited by some teenagers when they are forced to go cold turkey on smartphones—conversely, who knows what kind of poison gets mixed into the heroin that reaches Brazil; it is surely not hospital-level pure. As for the doughnuts, I remember Nassim N. Taleb saying that the addiction to carbohydrates is one of the three most harmful ones—the other two being to heroin and to a monthly salary.

@subgard: I surely get the point. I have seen and experienced what living in subhuman conditions can do to our minds; being deprived of the basics—not just food and shelter, but also (and specially) decency and respect, for example—can make us feel beast-like and even behave accordingly. Thus my disagreement regarding your argument does not concern substance, but gradation—I mean that it takes time and a lot of pressure before we start forsaking our humanity, as it were. In the level of skipping a few meals and worrying about debt, the result can indeed resemble addiction (for, as you correctly pointed out, the patterns and mechanism are the same), but it takes much more than that before we actually reach a condition akin to being hooked to a hard drug.

@7Wannabe5: I hope you have never had to undergo the kind of experience that demonstrates how right you are about that, but I can attest to the truth in your words. Last place I rented was a room in a boardinghouse that had no windows; the neighbourhood being really tough—guys smoking crack in broad daylight, muggers roaming around with guns—I only went out to eat on a government-sponsored restaurant that served a R$ 1.00 meal at noon on weekdays—basically all my nourishment came from there. During the weekend, though, when the place was closed, I survived on the few loaves of bread I could afford (sometimes with slices of cheese), and that was it. After two days in the darkness, munching carbohydrates, leaving that hole and getting to bask under the hot, tropical sun was the most unbelievably delightful experience; I could feel my brain getting back on track, the gears slowly beginning to turn again. The amount of pleasure I can derive from that bright star in the sky is outlandish, something that I will always have and that I doubt most people can imagine—unless they have lived under a perpetual winter, been incarcerated, or something of the sort.

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Re: Addictions & Unhealthy Habits

Post by enigmaT120 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:12 am

I think those of us in Western Oregon have an idea what you're talking about.

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Re: Addictions & Unhealthy Habits

Post by Jason » Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:08 pm

I'm not going to 12 step this thread into oblivion, but, if you are like me (pretty much a fucking basket case), read "Thinking Fast and Slow" by Kahneman.

Learning how you think. How to change your thinking. That's the key to all addictions. It starts with a mustard seed (thought) and ends up well, places we don't like to recollect.

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Re: Addictions & Unhealthy Habits

Post by Lucas » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:24 am

@Jason: Due to my being predisposed to lose myself in unpleasant reveries, I know exactly what you mean. The book you recommend has been in my reading list for a while; I'll move it up in the queue. Could you write about your own experience with "basket-case-ness?"

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