@jennypenny - This is just political correctness taken to the next level. Since it's already being mandated how we can speak, it only makes sense to take it to the next level of mandating what we can speak about.
In other news, some grant money just got spent, several researchers got hired, and someone got to pad their resume under the "Initiatives" headline. By the way, you can't publish that last bit.
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@jenny
Definitely a concern. If all they are doing is determining "how they decide which stories to run" that would be fine, but overreach seems to creep in to these types of efforts.
"In other news, some grant money just got spent, several researchers got hired, and someone got to pad their resume under the "Initiatives" headline. By the way, you can't publish that last bit."
Hopefully, this is how it ends up.
Definitely a concern. If all they are doing is determining "how they decide which stories to run" that would be fine, but overreach seems to creep in to these types of efforts.
"In other news, some grant money just got spent, several researchers got hired, and someone got to pad their resume under the "Initiatives" headline. By the way, you can't publish that last bit."
Hopefully, this is how it ends up.
Re: BC #4: Dirty Wars - No, it's not porn with a war theme.
Fascinating article....
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m- ... -bin-laden
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m- ... -bin-laden
It’s been four years since a group of US Navy Seals assassinated Osama bin Laden in a night raid on a high-walled compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The killing was the high point of Obama’s first term, and a major factor in his re-election. The White House still maintains that the mission was an all-American affair, and that the senior generals of Pakistan’s army and Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) were not told of the raid in advance. This is false, as are many other elements of the Obama administration’s account.
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There are some articles suggesting Hersh had very weak sources. If the Vox article is accurate, it draws some of what Hersh says into question.
http://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/se ... -bin-laden
http://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/se ... -bin-laden
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Re: BC #4: Dirty Wars - No, it's not porn with a war theme.
Word is both versions (Hersh and official) are inaccurate. In all of the stories related to me, the one common thread is that the raid was staged.
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@Ego
Interesting video. Though, I'm not sure the video producer's idea that this is new is correct or that the "they" in the video has as much control over the message as suggested.
A good way to combat this and other societal issues is to focus education on critical thinking, as we have talked about numerous times. And, still continue to talk about:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6390
Taking this back to the idea that Pakistan had the US stage everything or, at the very least, make it appear that Pakistan didn't help the US penetrate Pakistani airspace, it is highly unlikely the US hasn't penetrated Pakistani intelligence and the military. Also, it's likely these sources are rather high. So, then the question is, "Was the help the US received official or not?" Either way, the US has probably received internal Pakistani help. Though, that help may not have actually known what they were helping (this is where I would lay my money if this was Vegas).
Another point to make is that the US can't even stop smugglers from crossing the US/Mexican border, so it's not a stretch to assume Pakistan couldn't stop the US. Or, if they found out as the operation unfolded they refused to do anything about it out of fear of reprisal and losing the golden goose. We don't give foreign aid out of the goodness of our hearts, at least most of the time.
However this actually plays out, the video is interesting and needs attention going forward by our society.
Interesting video. Though, I'm not sure the video producer's idea that this is new is correct or that the "they" in the video has as much control over the message as suggested.
A good way to combat this and other societal issues is to focus education on critical thinking, as we have talked about numerous times. And, still continue to talk about:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6390
Taking this back to the idea that Pakistan had the US stage everything or, at the very least, make it appear that Pakistan didn't help the US penetrate Pakistani airspace, it is highly unlikely the US hasn't penetrated Pakistani intelligence and the military. Also, it's likely these sources are rather high. So, then the question is, "Was the help the US received official or not?" Either way, the US has probably received internal Pakistani help. Though, that help may not have actually known what they were helping (this is where I would lay my money if this was Vegas).
Another point to make is that the US can't even stop smugglers from crossing the US/Mexican border, so it's not a stretch to assume Pakistan couldn't stop the US. Or, if they found out as the operation unfolded they refused to do anything about it out of fear of reprisal and losing the golden goose. We don't give foreign aid out of the goodness of our hearts, at least most of the time.
However this actually plays out, the video is interesting and needs attention going forward by our society.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pakis ... es-n357306
edit: Just saw this on ZH. I really should check there before I post here.
edit: Just saw this on ZH. I really should check there before I post here.
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Tequila, Painted Pearls, and Prada: How the CIA Helped Produce 'Zero Dark Thirty'
"At the time, Boal was working on a movie called Tora Bora, about the CIA's failure to capture Osama bin Laden in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. ... Instead, he stopped writing the script for Tora Bora and began writing a different screenplay about what one lawmaker called "the most classified mission in history" — the killing of bin Laden. That movie, which Boal would work on with director Kathryn Bigelow, would become the 2012 Oscar-winning film Zero Dark Thirty. And the CIA would play a huge role in the creation of the script."
The cynic in me can't help but think the CIA 'helped' them so they could control the story that was told.
"At the time, Boal was working on a movie called Tora Bora, about the CIA's failure to capture Osama bin Laden in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. ... Instead, he stopped writing the script for Tora Bora and began writing a different screenplay about what one lawmaker called "the most classified mission in history" — the killing of bin Laden. That movie, which Boal would work on with director Kathryn Bigelow, would become the 2012 Oscar-winning film Zero Dark Thirty. And the CIA would play a huge role in the creation of the script."
The cynic in me can't help but think the CIA 'helped' them so they could control the story that was told.
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Maybe we should hope the CIA did do it to control the story. If they didn't. They aren't very smart.
I would also point out that it's kind of dumb to paint Tora Bora as a CIA failure. This is much more a failure based on the strategic decision to start a useless war in Iraq. If even 60-70% of the military and intel assets were moved from that war to Afghanistan, it's unlikely bin Laden escapes at Tora Bora or so many fighters get to infect Pakistan...who actually has WMDs.
I would also point out that it's kind of dumb to paint Tora Bora as a CIA failure. This is much more a failure based on the strategic decision to start a useless war in Iraq. If even 60-70% of the military and intel assets were moved from that war to Afghanistan, it's unlikely bin Laden escapes at Tora Bora or so many fighters get to infect Pakistan...who actually has WMDs.