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So Good They Can't Ignore You thread?

Post by BRUTE » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:29 pm

wasn't there discussion about this? brute's currently reading it and wanted to check what others thought, but can't seem to find the thread here.

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Re: So Good They Can't Ignore You thread?

Post by jacob » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:32 pm

http://forum.earlyretirementextreme.com ... php?t=3621 ... not a big thread, but Cal Newport pops up here and there mostly whenever it comes to noob career questions.

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Post by Dragline » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:49 pm

It's one of the books I make my college-aged kids read. Along with ERE. ;-)

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Post by Gilberto de Piento » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:51 pm

I haven't read it but Deep Work was helpful to me (same author).

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Post by BRUTE » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:34 pm

brute thanks humans

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Post by Dragline » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:47 pm

The central idea is simple, but profound. Go develop skills and competencies in whatever you can be good at or want to be good at -- particularly something that others may value. Passion and meaning emerges from the development of skills and competencies.

It's very good advice for most people and "worked for me", even though it was not written when I was doing it.

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Post by Gilberto de Piento » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:10 pm

I suppose I should say what I liked about Deep Work. The main thing was that I need to train my brain that it's ok to be bored and not to entertain itself with distractions at every opportunity. Seems obvious but it's important to set aside time to work without distractions.

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Post by Jean » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:34 am

I didn't found it usefull, but I was in academia at the time, and it was hard to see how getting better at saying what other researcher already knew was going to become satisfying.

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Post by 7Wannabe5 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:10 am

How about "So Engaged in My Own Interests I Don't Give a Flying Fuck What They Think" as a possible alternate title?

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Post by pukingRainbows » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:43 pm

I read this a while back so I don't remember so much but a few things stuck with me.
The underlying message was really good. The framework he laid out made a lot of sense as a way to work towards becoming successful. It has been useful to me as an entrepreneur looking to explore new business opportunities as I often find myself thinking in terms of the ideas he presented.

I really didn't enjoy his writing though. There were a few things I found confusing. For example, one of his main points seemed to be addressing the fallacy of "follow your passion" as career advice however, all his examples of people's jobs in the book seem to be people who would qualify as following their passion. Surfer camera guy? Elite medical researcher? That's all I remember. But I think his point would have been better served looking at people who found success and satisfaction in jobs that weren't as glamourous.

As well, the layout and structure of the book was noticeably bad in my opinion. I remember actually pausing once or twice as I was reading, taken aback by the strangeness of it.

Anyway, the ideas was good, but it was lacking in other areas. I think he mentioned how he wrote this over 4 months while he was driving across America or something like that. It really shows. I think a good editor could have made this book much better.

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Post by simplex » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:35 am

In the experience I have from working at universities in the EU, it is totally different:
You get an offer for a Phd. or Postdoc. It's for a fixed period, and then you must go, because otherwise the university has to offer you a permanent position. It doesn't matter if you performed stellar. You still must go.
Then the cycle repeats.
This is also reflected in the demography of the workplace: more than 60% of people on temp contracts (the temp stay 1-6, years, the permanent ~30 years), so 1 person in a permanent position for 30 years is approx. 10 Postdocs for 3 years.
This also implies that only 1 in 10 Postdocs get a permanent position. And getting the position is extremely timing dependant. If you were a stellar Postdoc 10 years ago, you won't get a permanent position 10 years later. Only recent Postdocs have a chance to get a permanent position.

This picture is quite different from the picture Cal Newport draws.

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Post by BRUTE » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:42 pm

brute has actually stopped reading the book about 20% in. like pukingRainbows says, all the examples are bluegrass guitar players and crap like that. nobody with "real" jobs.

brute accepts the idea that "follow your passion" is crap for job searching, but the somewhat naive idea that simply working very hard and getting very good (at what?) leads to success also seems to be pretty crappy. for example, natural talent and supply & demand seem to have far more to do with it.

brute's career strategy for anyone is therefore: getting lucky.

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Post by Stahlmann » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:25 pm

BRUTE wrote:
Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:42 pm
brute's career strategy for anyone is therefore: getting lucky.
How do you define lucky?
How have you worked on that?

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Post by George the original one » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:09 pm

Are you defining success only in monetary terms? Not everyone does, like this local "immigrant" from California: http://shulersurfboards.com/about.html

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Re: So Good They Can't Ignore You thread?

Post by BRUTE » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:46 pm

not only, but monetary success sure seems to play into it for most humans. brute knows too many baristas with an art degree and $40,000 in student loans.

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