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DIY Dental Scraping

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  1. Roark

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    Joined: Aug '11
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    Does anyone do their own dental scraping?

    If you look online you will see dentists who earn money by charging people high amounts for scrapings, however the dental assistant who does my teeth does not seem like she is any more intelligent than me, so I imagine I can deconstruct her craft fairly well.

    I look online and see the tools for very cheap on Amazon, although a lot of them are labeled for canine use.

    Does anyone know of any reliable guides on how to do this procedure or have any personal experience performing it?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. chenda

    Master
    Joined: Jun '11
    Posts: 384

    I would think it would be very difficult to do it to yourself, even if you were a dentist or dental nurse. Regular flossing though may mean you'll need it done less frequently.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. jacob

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    Joined: Jul '10
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    I do (or did) scrape the back of my front teeth. A better solution is consistent use of one of those water jet things which prevents the plaque from forming in the first place (but doesn't remove what's already there). But yeah, the first step is consistent daily flossing.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. EMJ

    Journeyman
    Joined: Nov '10
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    For 30 cents/day I get an hour every 3 months with my dental hygenist. Seems like a good deal. I don't think I could do her job.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. RealPerson

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    Joined: Nov '12
    Posts: 246

    I am familiar with dentistry. You cannot do a "scraping" of your teeth yourself. The layer of deposits and bacteria extends below the gum line. It is the layer below the gum line that causes most of the damage. Periodontal disease is the result. Going to the hygienist is the best preventative health care dollar you can spend. I am talking about a real cleaning visit, not the quickie 15 minute "24 dollar special we are running" that so many places seem to be operating on these days.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  6. rachelFLF

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    I love the ERE forums.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  7. llorona

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    My mother grew up during wartime in China in the late 1930's/early 1940's. Her family was very poor and she never saw a dentist. As a result, she has a lot of dental issues today, including crowns, root canals, and several teeth that have shattered.

    The cost of taking care of your teeth today (e.g., dental cleanings, preventative care) is a bargain compared to fixing future dental problems. Please take advantage of modern dentistry and avail yourself of these services. You don't want to be penny wise, pound foolish when it comes to your teeth!

    Posted 6 months ago #
  8. FrugalZen

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    Joined: Aug '11
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    I don't think this is something you can do yourself.....however others might be willing to help...

    Where DID I put that battery operated drill and brass wire wheel......

    Posted 6 months ago #
  9. RealPerson

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    Joined: Nov '12
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    @FrugalZen: Very funny....I love it.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  10. Noob

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    Joined: Jan '13
    Posts: 79

    I've got my own dental tools and do attempt to do some of my own cleaning. BUT, you have to be very careful. You are talking about sharp metal objects near your gums. Your gums are very sensitive. My dentist tells me every time I go in.. That I am the only person he ever sees that he has to tell to NOT brush my teeth so much. I'm a teeth freak. The only real scraping that you should really be doing is in the middle of your teeth. The pic I have has a little flashlight on it so I can see inside my mouth on the back of my teeth, then I use the other hand and hold he mirror and stand in front of another mirror. I have large gaps between some of my teeth and regular dental floss just doesn't cut it. So i don't really do my own cleanings to save myself money, I do it so that I don't have large plaque buildups in my gaps.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  11. CelticTiger

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    Joined: Oct '10
    Posts: 40

    Is flossing daily good enough? I floss daily. My wife was recommended these teeth cleaning pipecleaner look alike sticks by her dentist. I can get 30% staff discount on them at work when they are on BOGOF (buy one get one free and cheap at Lidl when they aren't. My teeth are ok at the min but it's always one of those things you wonder about. Could I do better?

    Posted 5 months ago #
  12. Noob

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    Joined: Jan '13
    Posts: 79

    Just like someone put above about your gums and not damaging them. I've actually damaged my gums from overbrushing which pushed them back over my teeth which in turn now has sensitive parts of my teeth exposed. So I have to go in from time to time and have them resealed near the roots. But just to be clear, that did NOT happen from using a dental pick. The dental pick I only use to dig out what my toothbrush and floss miss. And no matter how good I floss I always have some plaque build up somewhere that the dentist has to go in and get which is painful. So that's why I started doing my own picking. Just don't tell my dentist cause he knows I'm handy with a pick and will be on me real quick about it. HAHA.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  13. dot_com_vet

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    I used to scrape my dog's teeth. My vet said this was a bad idea because the scrapings were causing scratches in the teeth that bacteria would "latch" onto.

    I'd 2nd the suggestion of a waterjet. That's really nirvana for teeth and gums.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  14. Sclass

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    Joined: Jul '12
    Posts: 87

    http://dentala2z.co.uk/epages/eshop133027.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/eshop133027/Categories/DIY

    I came across this site while looking for a DIY bridge cement fix. I decided I'd just have my dentist fix it for $300. It was a great repair far better than the twenty year old bond that finally broke.

    I like going in for semi annual cleanings since they cost $130 each. But this kind of glue and filling doesn't look cheap. I was shocked you can actually do a DIY filling without silver or gold. Glue is a boon for DIYers. I just thought I'd post it up for fun. I like paying my dentist, she's worth it.

    Maybe someday after an economic meltdown I'll resort to these kits. Beats DIY extraction.

    BTW - my gramps was a dentist and I inherited his 1950s vintage tools. That included his rusty nickel plated extraction pliers. I once unwrapped them during an engineering meeting for fun/shock value. People got very uncomfortable. "aren't these cool pliers, they were my gramps!"

    Posted 3 months ago #
  15. Ego

    Master
    Joined: Nov '11
    Posts: 782

    Sometimes I enjoy recalibrating my perspective.

    While we may scoff at do-it-yourself dental scraping as absolutely unthinkable, this is the reality of dental care for much of the world.

    Sure we're lucky to have the means to visit a good quality dentist... but it begs the question, are we losing something when we don't have to see the dentist of Jaipur? Does our first-world, sterile, everything-guaranteed experience somehow make us weaker?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  16. thebbqguy

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    Joined: Feb '13
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    Sometimes I think skimping on basic healthcare can cause more damage in the long run than spending money right the first time.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  17. Ego

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    BBQ, that's true, but it is not a one-dimensional situation.

    Taleb makes a good argument regarding over-interventionism of healthcare. The third leading cause of death behind heart disease and cancer is iatrogenic in nature - it is a direct result of medical intervention.

    Sometimes skimping on basic healthcare is the healthiest thing you can do.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  18. RealPerson

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    @Ego - That can be true in some situations, but not in this case.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  19. Ego

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    I am not so sure about that. Nor are the experts. There are costs and there are benefits.

    http://www.nature.com/ebd/journal/v6/n1/full/6400317a.html

    Posted 3 months ago #
  20. RealPerson

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    "differences in study populations (young adults versus periodontal patients) may explain the differing results"

    I could not have said it better. When doing a meta-analysis study of papers with huge differences in study design and subject populations, taking 8 very dissimilar studies for meta-analysis will predictably return inconclusive results.

    A periodontally susceptible population benefits more from hygiene visits than a periodontally healthy population. The benefit of regular check-ups is also the discovery of tooth decay long before it becomes symptomatic. Symptomatic tooth decay usually requires much more and more expensive treatment than decay found in the early stages. For example, an inflamed tooth nerve requires a root canal and a crown. Total cost often runs in the thousands. The same cavity detected early on can cost a couple of hundred dollars for a simple filling.

    Also keep in mind that the purpose of this analysis was not to determine whether regular dental visits are beneficial for overall dental health, but what the risks and benefits are of periodontal cleaning at various intervals. They evaluated primarily plaque, calculus and gingivitis, because these parameters are very dynamic and can change easily between visits. Studying the benefits of early detection of decay, early discovery of bone loss, not to mention the benefits of the oral cancer screening exam cannot be demonstrated over a period as short as one year. Epidemiological studies of these topics simply require longer time frames.

    Remember that the original Framington studies on the development of cardiovascular disease also took many years. The impact of lifestyle choices and biological markers such as blood lipids only manifests itself over long periods of time.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  21. Ego

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    Joined: Nov '11
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    Okay, but (most?) many dentists are recommending scaling and root planing on a routine six-month basis for every patient in their chair. Some of those patients don't need it.

    While those procedures are generally considered safe, there are risks, right? So, some people are being exposed to unnecessary risk (and expense). They are suffering from the over-interventionism I mentioned above.

    There are legitimate risks that the dentist (or doctor) might miss something if they don't see you regularly. That's true. We've got to acknowledge the other side of the equation as well. The human body is complex. There are times when it is not black and white. Today, when a medical professional is presented with one of these situations, they err on the side of intervention. Add to this defensive nature of modern medicine the fact that there is little or no revenue generated by the wait and see approach.

    Intervention pays. And it costs. Often more than money.

    Tangentially related: I'm planning a Mt. Whitney trip and went to hear an expert speak on the logistics of the climb at a local outdoor shop. Turns out the expert was Dr. Ken Murray, professor of medicine at USC who wrote the now famous paper, How Doctors Die, which was shortlisted for a Pulitzer.

    Physicians, it seems, seek medical care - especially end of life care - far less frequently than the average patient.

    The article was considered groundbreaking for the simple reason that it was an emperor himself saying out loud that the emperor has no clothes.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  22. RealPerson

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    You are pointing out that some dentists are unethical, plain ignorant or just don't care. All of these can be true. If you have such a dentist, CHANGE dentist! If you cannot trust your health care professionals, find some you do.

    BTW, most people do not need scaling and root planning (SRP). If you are under 40 years old, have had regular care and your dentist suddenly recommends SRP you may want to get a second opinion, Maybe the dentist has a car payment coming up. A true professional won't treat his patients like that. Your dentist should understand the difference between wants and needs, educate you on the needs and help you formulate your wants. The rest becomes easy.

    The end of life story is an entirely different matter. Doctors have been shown to demand less end of life care and are more likely to die at home. Maybe it is the patient? Many patients will seek out ANY care to stretch out life a little. it is my firm conviction that I do not want to be kept on life-sustaining equipment if the prognosis is dire. There is a time to call it quits and be at peace. That is where the serenity prayer comes in handy. All the more reason to lead a full and meaningful life, so saying goodbye comes with few regrets.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  23. dalralmi

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    Joined: Feb '13
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    Though the original post was made 8 months ago, if the reasoning behind scraping your own teeth is frugality there may be a better solution.

    At most colleges you can get free cleanings from Dental students. As long as there is a hygenist school at the college about twice a year they offer free clinics for people to come in and give the students time ot practice on real mouths. You may have to suffer through a longer procedure or minor missteps, but it's free.

    This also goes for haircuts, manicures, and other things you may need. Check out ht elocal scene and you might be able to find a free clinic with students.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  24. Sclass

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    Joined: Jul '12
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    Whoa...a lot can happen in 24 hrs here! Wow what a mess.

    I just posted the link for academic interest...I'll gladly pay for professionally installed fillings. My thought was if the world turns upside down for me I'd try filling my own tooth. Beats a DIY extraction. I took an anthropology class in college that said tooth decay was one of the leading killers of precontact native americans. doomsday types might like the glue kits.

    Taleb has a good point about over medication but we need to be careful about blanket statements. I've had doctors overly fixated with lipid counts and BMI averages and I've had a couple who literally stepped up and saved my life when it has hanging by a thread. It all depends on the situation.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  25. Ego

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    Sclass.... I agree 100% about the blanket statements. There are times when it is perfectly logical to see a dentist every six months. But we've got to acknowledge that for many it is not.

    There are many dentists out there who will insist on scraping your teeth and x-raying your choppers every six months. The damage done could be much, much worse than the benefits of catching decay early. It is not easy to know if the dentist is unethical until the mistakes have been made and the damage is done.

    Most people go to a doctor or dentist and gladly relinquish both control and responsibility for their own health to the person they see as the professional. They ignore any alternative motives that professional may have and hope the professional makes the right suggestions, choices and decisions for them.

    Regular flossing, exercise, healthy eating and, yes, perhaps some home-dental scaling may be the ticket to taking control and responsibility for ones own health.

    There is a great deal of power in shifting from the "fix me" mentality to the "I fix me" mentality.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  26. RealPerson

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    Joined: Nov '12
    Posts: 246

    DIY dentistry is a terrible idea, except maybe after a major asteroid hits the earth and you are the last surviving human.

    The comment about the dental schools or dental hygiene schools is true. If you have lots of time and patience, you can get very inexpensive care at a dental school. Students work on you under the supervision of the faculty. A hygiene visit that takes 1 hour in private practice may take you a half a day in a school. If you are okay with that, it is a good solution. One caveat: the schools are often only set up for routine patients, not complex cases. It depends on your situation.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  27. Sclass

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    @Ego point well taken on X-ray. Yeah, I've been cat scanned so many times since my near death experience I tell my dentist no more X-rays. I've actually never had a cavity in my life and all the X-rays look the same. Yes I have had slight bone loss on my jaw over the years but the temporal resolution by which they've imaged it is just stupid. Good example.

    I received four cat scans of my chest. Each one is like several hundred chest X-rays. I agreed because my cardiac surgeon needed all the information he could get about a tumor embedded in my heart before carving it out. When I get cancer I'll not have to ask why. But it was a question of die now or die later,

    That's why I know my GPs complaining about lipid counts and threatening Lipitor are full of it, I know more about my arteries than they know about theirs.

    Posted 3 months ago #

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