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Praise the Percolator

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  1. FrugalZen

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    Of course the three groups that hate them most are: 1/Companies that sell Coffee, 2/Companies that make/sell Drip Coffee Makers and 3/Companies that make/sell Paper Filters for those Drip Coffee Makers.

    Perhaps you may remember your Grandparents used a percolator..drip makers weren't greatly available then.. and if you had a drip pot it didn't use a paper filter. Or perhaps you might remember the old Maxwell House commercial with the coffee burping into the lid of a coffee pot.

    Percolators can still be found....Farberware still makes them 4,8, and 12 cup models (I managed to get a 12 cup for just under $70) and a lot of caterers still use them but most of us have no use for a coffee pot that makes 60 cups or more at once.

    I brought one of those big ones to my place of employment and I'm the "Keeper of the Coffee Urn". Yes I own the pot..$75 at SAMS Club...Everyone chips in and I can make 2 Gallons of coffee every night and supply Sugar (Cream is WAY too expensive..triple the cost of the Coffee...bring your own) for about $15 a week. Everyone chips in to cover it and my "Reward":>P is I don't pay for what I do drink as the Urn is mine. Enough coffee for 35 drivers and we cut the coffee expense by 80% getting rid of the outside service.

    And if you want a percolator for a fire or gas stove (non-electric) you can get them from the better camping supply houses all of them not cheap and why??

    Think about the standard drip coffee maker you see in the store that sells for $12...does anyone really believe that it can be manufactured in China..shipped to the US...sold to a distributor or chain store that adds a 30% markup for the stores profit and sells if for the aforementioned $12 and actually BE making a profit??

    NO.

    The people who make drip coffee pots are actually in the business of selling Coffee Filters...not coffee pots. No aftermarket for "supplies" to subsidise the price of the machine. (Is a Wii or XBox or DVD player really any different?? All useless without the games or DVD's you have to buy)

    Actually for a couple of years until the patent ran out the biggest maker of drip makers (that even has Coffee in its name) was the only source for the filters as they were a specific size just for their machines. You would spend 20 times what you spent for the machine on filters before it broke(*) and you had to buy a new machine.

    Percolators last for decades...I have a 50 year old 4 cup Farberware my grandmother used every day for more than 35 years and it still works perfectly though I use it just for heating water and I use a 12 cup daily for making Tea...loose Tea works just as well in a percolator as ground coffee.

    Companies that sell actual coffee hate percolators now because in a percolator the water/partially brewed coffee is cycled over the grounds in the basket multiple times before its done brewing while in a drip pot the water goes through the grounds once...therefore you need MORE coffee to get a pot of the same strength.(#)(&)

    (*) The "broke" drip makers problem about 85% of the time (the other 15% is most likely a broken glass carafe) is lime buildup on the heating element...in a drip pot the water is in direct contact with the heating coil whereas in a percolator its not. Cured of course by running a pot of vinegar through the thing just as the manufacturer recomends in the owners manual..but how many people bother to READ it today???

    (#) The finer the grind of coffee the less you need to use (more surface area for the water to contact) and I've found the extra fine Expresso grind works great...trick being to wet the peroclator basket down with water before pouring the ground coffee in..very little of the extra fine expresso grind will make its way into the pot through the basket openings..it sticks to the basket and swells as it absorbsthe water.

    (&) It has also been our experience that some of the much cheaper coffees (we experimented at work until we found the one everyone liked best...$1.99 for a bag that makes 2 gallons) actually come out tasting better from a percolator than the more expensive ones from a drip pot.

    So "Praise the Percolator"!!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. dragoncar

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    Are you kidding? The cost of filters is basically zero compared to the cost of coffee. $0.01 per pot, or less, not to mention permanent filters.

    Plus, paper filters reduce the cafestol in the coffee.

    I'm not a coffee lover, or expert, but I see no inherent problem with drip makers.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. jacob

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    At both my previous institutes the department signed up for a deal on the coffee machine similar to the deals used for photocopiers. You get a fancy-schmancy $1000 coffee machine in exchange for the promise to buy a certain amount of coffee per month. Cups in these machines would be 75-150c. Many of us had our own $20 coffee machines in our offices.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. FrugalZen

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    @dragoncar

    Yes coffee filters are cheap now but they weren't in the beginning. I still remember the days of $4.99 for a Hundred filters...so 5 cents then.

    But then for the Manufacturer of a filter you or I would pay $0.01 for what do they pay? $0.0001?

    If the markup is high enough even on a sum we think is inconsequential the volume is where all the money is made.

    I also don't like the idea of the hot water/coffee leaching out of the paper filters whatever residual chemicals are left after manufacture...and most of them today aren't made in the US so no idea what shortcuts they use making them.

    However the drip pots are still pretty cheaply made and don't last if used even moderately heavily...6 or so pots a day.

    My work location went through 8 of them in less than 10 months at $10 to $14 a piece from Wal-Mart. The big percolator I got 11 months ago for $75 has performed flawlessly.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. FrugalZen

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    @jacob

    My place of employment was too cheap to pay for the service that included the coffee maker. I'm sure the coffee service laughed all the way to the bank cause they didn't have to maintain an expensive machine...heck they didn't even have to deliver the coffee themselves because of it...they just drop shipped it.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. dragoncar

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    Jacob: Yeah, we have those Flavias at work and they are a total rip off. Convenient, though.

    FrugalZen: So 5 cents per filter, adjusted for inflation from the land before time (I kid!)... I can see why you are biased.

    I'm sure the filter makers make something, or they wouldn't sell them. But the fact that they used to be more expensive doesn't really change the fact that they are cheap now. That's like me saying I don't like computers because they used to cost millions of dollars. Or I don't like apples because those rotten farmers make a profit.

    I don't drink enough coffee to have formed a quality opinion -- I don't buy coffee because it would just sit in the fridge for months. But having done a little research, aren't drip makers and percolators basically the same? They both pour hot water on coffee grounds, which are filtered. The difference is the percolates recycle the coffee back through the system.

    What part of the drip maker tends to break? The one-way valve? I've never seen one break.

    By the way, it's probably not fair to compare a $75 percolator to $15 drippers purchased at Walmart.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. jacob

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    @dragoncar - "But having done a little research, aren't drip makers and percolators basically the same?"

    You, you ....... Barbarian!!!! ;-P

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  8. FrugalZen

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    AAAAHHHHHH!!!! WHERE'S MY PITCHFORK!!!

    LOL!!!!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. Chad

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    I never liked coffee, but it seemed harmless until I graduated from college and I started working. The whole culture built around coffee is incredibly annoying, as are all the addicts. Easily one of the top 10 things I hate about working a "real" job.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. Maus

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    One issue with the stovetop percolator is the tendency to higher, sub-optimal temperatures for brewing (Dear Leader, please to put the link to your blog post re: same). I like the drip process because it gets the temperature more or less right for a bitterness-free java experience.

    My most recent advance in coffee frugality is to add an additional 10 oz. of water to the resevoir after removing my first large mug of freshly dripped coffee. I thus get 16 cups out of the 12 cup maker without committing additional grounds to the process and without any noticable loss of flavor. I do tend to grind the beans more finely than is typically recommended for a drip process, which may account for this.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. jacob

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    I have many coffee posts. There are also many forum threads on coffee. The most important part is to get the temperature correct within a few degrees of 195F. Hotter means bitterness, colder means lack of flavor.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. FrugalZen

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    So the electric percs are probably better than the stove top version.

    Might be interesting to run a pot of water through and see what the final holding temp is in an electric one.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. HSpencer

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    I can't read this thread and not put this in here:

    Place: Headquarters, 217th Maintenance Battalion, US Army
    Date: Some where in the mid 1980's
    Who: 217th Maintenance Company cooks.
    What: Observed them making morning coffee

    I walked in the Company area, and saw one of the cooks with a burlap bag, about a quarter way full of coffee grounds, dipping the bag up and down in a large pot of boiling water.
    Later, talking to a couple of the soldiers, they told me that's the way they like it, and after having a cup I could agree it was excellent. I found it a tad strong and robust, but quite drinkable. In fact I had about three cups. I also noticed they had one of those large electric coffee makers sitting idle on the shelf. Seems they sometimes use it just to keep the coffee warm, but the soldiers like to just walk by the stove and use a dipper to serve themselves. Thoughts were: Where did the burlap bag come from? Did it once contain ball bearings or something? Is the burlap bag a one-use affair? Or do they sometimes wash it and reuse? Hummmmm.
    (This is a certified HSpencer true story).

    Posted 1 year ago #

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