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Cheap Travel Resources?

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  1. m741

    Master
    Joined: Jan '11
    Posts: 734

    One of the things I want to do after retirement is travel. Not just one week here, one week there, but because most of my needs will be funded, I'd prefer to spend 6 months in SE Asia, for instance, or 4-5 months hiking the Appalachian Trail, or 2 months riding trains around Europe, or a few months crewing a sailboat. You get the picture - it's not superficial stuff but really getting to know other places.

    I'd like to start setting aside funds right now - maybe $100/month. It's really just a label and targeting a more conservative investment. But I think psychologically it would make a difference to know 'after I'm done with all this work, I have a 6 month trip waiting for me where I'll get to do X, Y and Z.' Plus, looking forward to these things and planning them is half the fun. Basically, once FI, I'd like to spend 6-8 months a year relaxing and doing personal projects, and 4-6 months traveling or doing more long-term projects a little outside my comfort zone. Maybe this is too optimistic but I think it would be cool to spend those 6-8 months at home learning a language and then travel around the area where that language is spoken.

    I suspect that many travel resources assume that people would be staying in hotels, doing cruises and elaborate 'touristy' stuff. A little of that interests me, but mostly I'd prefer to stay in hostels or camp, try local food, see how people in other areas live, and so on.

    Are there any 'frugal travel' resources that people could recommend? I'm looking for information like budgeting for travel in various areas, recommended cheap landmarks/things to do, or ways to save money. One thing that I'm already aware of is couchsurfing, which seems pretty cool.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. Chris

    Journeyman
    Joined: Jul '10
    Posts: 195

    I did a camping + CouchSurfing trip in Europe two months ago, so maybe I can give you some useful info:

    1) You have the right idea traveling for longer stretches of time. Traveling often seems expensive, but that's because people assume hundreds of dollars in airfare each week.

    2) I used frequent flier miles (mostly gained via a credit card) for the flight. You might want to consider a ff miles strategy now and begin banking points to cover some of your airfare.

    3) I've not had a bad experience CouchSurfing yet. I recommend you try it in the US now and make some connections. CSers are a self-selecting group, and it's a friendly and hospitable one.

    4) Camping is less comfortable that CouchSurfing (-: . But it's hard to not feel like a mooch when CSing for multiple days at the place. For my trip, I found that camping was about 2/3 the cost of a hostel.

    5) Trying to learn a language while traveling makes trips more fun, especially if you're naturally a goal-oriented person. Goal: order a baguette with bacon and cheese. Sweet, achievement unlocked!

    6) The places with the highest airfare tend to have lower daily expense requirements (food, etc). So you have the right idea with SE Asia.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. akratic

    Master
    Joined: Jul '10
    Posts: 480

    I travelled for 1.5 years. It cost about the same as living in a US city did for me.

    Here are some suggestions:

    == Transportation ==

    1) learn how to use http://matrix.itasoftware.com for US flights. It lets you find the cheapest combination in a 30 day range. It also lets you search from: BOSTON or NEW YORK to CHICAGO or LA. In other words, it lets you take advantage of your flexibility. ITA Software is the company that does the heavy lifting for most of the airlines. The interface is hard to get used to, but it's worth it.

    2) break your flights up. For example a one way NYC => LAX and then a one way LAX => Sydney Australia is *cheaper* than NYC => Sydney (will probably layover in LAX). In general, if you have a layover anywhere, you should instead be flying there, hanging out there for a few days, then flying the second part.

    3) Sometimes buying a round trip ticket is cheaper than buying a one way. Go figure. Just miss the return flight intentionally?

    4) Round the World tickets are surprisingly cheap, only a few thousands dollars for many flights between many countries. This is great for planners.

    5) http://kayak.com/explore/ -- lets you see at a glance the cheapest places you can get to from any city. You might be surprised which places you can get to from NYC for under $1k.

    Flights are expensive if you travel fast, but cheap if you travel slow. Plus once you get somewhere far away, you can stick to buses or hitchhiking or whatever method the locals use to get from city to city.

    == Housing ==

    1) The best thing to do is stay with friends. Some friends wouldn't be comfortable hosting you, but others would love to have you on their air mattress for 2-4 weeks! You have to feel them out, and be careful to hook them up so both of you benefit from your visit.

    2) Hostels are only $15-30/day usually and they let you cook and make it easy to meet people. I like http://hostelworld.com they aggregate all the hostel information and make it easy to book. Go check out prices in the cities you'd like to travel to!

    3) I've heard that in SE Asia you don't even have to bother with hostels as *hotels* are only $10/day-ish. I haven't been there yet.

    4) When I was in Sydney for two months I went on their craigslist equivalent and subletted someone's room for the whole two months. I got a kick-ass deal and she got to collect rent while she was travelling.

    5) http://airbnb.com -- I haven't tried this but it's all the rage these days.

    6) CouchSurfing is "free" in theory but will often end up costing you $5-20/day when you buy dinner for your hosts etc., to even out the karmic imbalance. Plus you can usually only comfortably stay for a few days at a time.

    It can be hard to get your first surfing experience, as few people want to take a risk on you when you have an empty profile without any references. You should look into hosting in NYC. There will be incredible demand for your apartment, you can wait to be selective and choose someone that you think will be compatible and interesting for you to host. In addition to getting you out of the house on long weekends (!) this will build up your profile for when you want to surf on other people's couches in the future.

    The benefits of CouchSurfing go *way* beyond just a cheap place to stay though.

    == Misc ==

    A lot of the tricks that will help you now will also help you while you travel. If you know how to cook, you can just grocery shop and then cook at the hostel. Actually little routine things like that can be way more fun while travelling for some reason.

    Similarly, if you have big holes in your spending now, they'll be amplified on the road. Enjoy dropping $50 at bars? That will happen more frequently on the road. Enjoy eating out? That too.

    Pack light. You should be able to fit everything you need into a fairly small backpack (~40L). Then you're much more mobile and incognito, and it's easier to watch over your stuff. With so few possessions, you can really ramp up the quality of each item without much overall cost.

    You can look up which currencies the dollar is doing the best against and allow that to influence which country you travel to.

    The best book on travel is by Rolf Potts and is called "Vagabonding: An Uncommon Guide to the Art of Long-Term World Travel"

    There is a Vagabonding blog, too: http://www.vagablogging.net/

    Finally, every major city in the world has a CouchSurfing group with many active members discussing traveling, living cheap, alternative lifestyles, etc. The NYC one is *especially* active. I just checked and it has 38,481 members and 108,484 posts. That's your single best travel cheap travel resource after me!

    PS: I don't think you need to save up specifically for travel. If you have a $1,300/mo living stipend from ERE, you can easily make your travel budget fit into that.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. AnneBentham

    Apprentice
    Joined: Nov '10
    Posts: 53

    Yeah, couchsurfing.org is a good idea. Many of my friends use it regularly, including one who who just spent the last few months traveling around Europe. It seems like a great way to meet locals and get to know a new city. Ride sharing is another way to save on travel expenses. I know there's a place for that on craigslist.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. rachels

    Journeyman
    Joined: Aug '10
    Posts: 156

    I don't travel much internationally, but here are some suggestions for the US.

    Point A to Point B: craiglist rideshare, hitchhiking, bike touring (a cheap mtb will do IMHO), crewing on sailboats (somewhat tricky business), Amtrak Railpasses (not so cheap, but I use them during the holidays when airfare goes crazy).

    Lodging: Couchsurfing, free camping at National Forests/BLM land, free backcountry camping, hiker/biker sites if applicable, hostels very occasionally.

    Free/Cheap Stuff to Do: visit public parks, big fancy libraries, and public buildings, look for free days at museums, go to the free days at National Parks, eat free food at Food Not Bombs, volunteer, ride bikes. Many couchsurfing groups have a wiki for their city which will often include free/cheap things to do.

    If you want to crew on a sailboat, my only advice is be selective. Always remember that the only thing required to be skipper of a boat is the money to buy a boat. Also, if you are female, be sure to avoid ever mentioning it on a crewfinder website.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. JohnnyH

    Expert
    Joined: Jul '10
    Posts: 1,366

    Lots of good stuff in here...

    Fit a bivy, sleeping bag/pad in your carry-on (never check) and still have room for everything else. :)

    Find an airline employee and buy their buddy passes.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. Chad

    Expert
    Joined: Jul '10
    Posts: 1,006

    If you are interested in cheap SE Asia there is good blog called AlmostFearless.com that outlines their stay in SE Asia. Sounded like they found some really cheap & good hotels (hostel prices) along with cheap restaurants and very nice places.

    @akratic
    That's a rather impressive bit of advice. I don't even plan to travel much and it was interesting to me.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. Mo

    Master
    Joined: Jul '10
    Posts: 442

    For flights in the US: if you are planning to go to several cities, for example: A->B, B->C, C->D, D->E, you can sometimes get a better deal by "closing the loop".

    For example, if I want to go from Jacksonville to Chicago, stay there, then Chicago to Denver, stay, then Denver to Portland, stay then Portland to Nashville, and stay in Nashville for a few months, the cheapest ticket might be to buy Jax-Chi, Chi-Den, Den-Port, Port-Nash, Nash-Jax, even though you have no intention of using the Nash-Jax leg-- it sometimes paradoxically makes the trip cheaper.

    You can combine this strategy, which typically works best on major (or "legacy") airlines, with the services of discount airlines that (like Southwest) that sell one-way tickets at low prices to get a low fare through your target cities.

    However, once you miss one leg of a multi-leg journey, the rest of your itinerary may be cancelled (so I am told, I've never missed an inside leg and tried to make the rest of the trip).

    It's somewhat complicated to explain, so I hope this makes sense, and it can take a long time to book, but I have gotten incredible 5 and 6 stop trips across the US for under $1k using this tactic.

    It is likely that this is against airline rules, so don't openly explain to folks that you are doing this.

    Also, it sometimes helps if the last leg is on a Tuesday, at least a week after the previous leg.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. Zev

    Master
    Joined: Aug '10
    Posts: 437

    For bike touring, Warm Showers is awesome. It's like Couch Surfing, but from what I hear (I've only used Warm Showers), it's less of a crapshoot and not a 420 kind of scene (my preference).

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. murpheyw

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    Joined: Jul '10
    Posts: 55

  11. bigato

    Master
    Joined: Mar '11
    Posts: 925

    It depends on how hardcore you want to go. A comfortable way of traveling to me is cheaper than staying at home. Plus, you are not likely to find places more expensive than your current.

    I like to use bike for traveling, even when I go by bus. The reason is that is much easier to bring things on panniers than on backpack, even if you are walking and not really biking. Disadvantage: if you are traveling alone, sometimes you need to left your bike somewhere and this is something you start to worry about.

    The cheapest and lightest way to cook that I know is using homemade alcohol stoves. Check it out, lots of information on the internet. If you take care, you can even cook in normal hotel room and people won't ever notice. I use a 3l pressure cooker to save on fuel. But it won't be so light if you are thinking on a backpack.

    I like to sleep outdoors using only a tarp, a sleeping pad and a sleeping bag. Of course if the climate is too cold I would need a much bigger sleeping bag and maybe a tent would be necessary. Finding a place to do this inside cities is not so easy (i did it only once), but near cities is easy. You just have to plan your time to try to sleep outside cities most of the time. Then you will pay to sleep only sometimes.

    One thing that sometimes annoy me is having to find some place to pee or poo when I'm inside a city.

    I don't know how much of my suggestions fits you, but maybe you can use some tip. MikeBOS also likes to travel somewhat like that (lackingambition.com)

    Posted 1 year ago #

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