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  1. LiquidSapphire

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    Joined: Jul '11
    Posts: 434

    Hello,

    I've been lurking for a few weeks and would like the opportunity to chronicle my journey toward FI, please feel free to follow along. Any food for thought is welcome.

    I intend to start with a few short posts about me, my situation, and my numbers. I intend to update roughly monthly with actions taken and things I'm pondering/struggling with.

    About me: My name is Olivia. I am 28, living outside of Denver, Colorado with my boyfriend who owns his home. He has one child who lives with her mother. I have no children. We don't want any more children. I'm currently a federal government employee. The earliest I qualify for a reduced pension, if my agency has a reduction in force, would be after 25 years of service. For me, I would be 47 years of age. I would qualify for a pension (with penalty) at 52 and a full pension at 57. I cannot mentally wrap my mind around working for the feds for another 19-29 years (I haven't even been ALIVE for 29 years). ER is it for me. I will probably not be as extreme as Jacob, but I enjoy reading the possibilities anyhow.

    I am supposedly an ISTJ... though I think maybe I have some P at times.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. LiquidSapphire

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    Goals:

    My first, soul-consuming goal, is to save/pay down debt/reduce expenses enough to where I can just quit, and take my time figuring out what the next phase in my life will be. I don't see myself just engaging in golf the rest of my life, and I would be OK with working for pay again. However, if I do go that route, I want it to be on my terms, and because I want to, not because I *have* to. I will consider this goal met once 3% of my investments equal my annual expenses.

    My secondary goal after that would be, assuming we are still together, to assist my boyfriend/husband in achieving ER as well. But this is still at least a few years away so I am not focused on it for now, especially since our relationship isn't permanent (though it has potential, he's a great guy).

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. LiquidSapphire

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    Stuff I have already done:

    1) Rebalanced my asset allocation to be more conservative. I was previously about 92% in stocks and 8% in Treasuries/Bonds.
    I am now investing more like a 40 yr old rather than a 28 yr old. Once I get more clarity on the ERE date I can bail, I will probably adjust more.

    2) Paid the early termination fee to T-Mobile ($200) and got out of my smartphone contract. Sold the phone+accessories for $180 on Ebay after fees, the phone was originally $200 new plus maybe $50 for the accessories. I bought a $20 phone from Straight Talk, and I am on their $30 1000 minutes plan, no contracts. I figure I should be whole after about 5 months. This is my only phone.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. LiquidSapphire

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    Stuff I'm focusing on:

    1) I am currently trying to be more mindful about how often I go out to eat dinner with my boyfriend. I think about 2 times per month would be about right, but last month we got a little crazy.

    2) I'm also going to try to cut out all drinking at bars; boyfriend likes to do it but for me, I just don't get a lot of
    value out of it. I'm still going to go and tip the bartender well, but just order the iced tea with free refills. (Also going sober at home, for weight loss reasons first, financial second).

    3) I started a price book about the various things we buy at grocery stores in an attempt to try to get the best price on things we buy a lot. It's in its infancy but it has helped a little so far. I am vegetarian, boyfriend is not, but even so we don't buy much meat. I have no idea why our food bill is so high. I'm hoping this helps.

    4) I am going to, on a trial basis, start taking the bus to work after I get back from some business travel this week. It
    will extend my one way commute from 25 minutes to about 70 minutes including the walking, but I like to read and listen to
    audio books. I also get a free bus pass through work. If this goes well, I intend to look into selling my car.

    5) My cell phone usage this month will be high due to business travel, but I don't anticipate any more travel for my job in the future. I am considering changing phones again to the Double Minutes promotion at Tracfone. I would have to buy another phone, but they are selling 3000 minutes for $200. I read that the break even point is roughly 430 monthly minutes. I almost never use that many minutes so if I can get my monthly cell phone bill to roughly $17 that would be nice. It's too bad I already burned $20 on the Straight Talk phone but I consider it a sunk cost.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. LiquidSapphire

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    Joined: Jul '11
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    Numbers

    Gross Salary: 91000 (My monthly take home is usually right at 4004 after taxes, other deductions, 401K deduction, etc. However, I'm paid biweekly so some months have 3 paychecks rather than two.)

    TSP (401K equivalent) 98239
    Roth IRA: 30983
    Taxable accounts: 32407
    Liquid Cash: 20693
    2007 Toyota Prius, KBB Value: 17005

    Mortgage: None, I've never owned any property
    Car Loan: 12311 (3.25% interest)
    Student Loans: 20447 (2.5% interest)

    I'd like to note that I had two huge raises, one in January 2011 and one in May 2010, one due to a change in personnel systems and the other due to my coming back from overseas to the states. The two increases together nearly doubled my salary, so I haven't been making this kind of money for too long.

    Now here are my expenses for July thus far, for the joint expenses, they are my half only:

    Rent/Internet/Water/Sewer/Trash/Electricity/Netflix: 600
    Car Loan: 311
    Student Loan: 174
    Auto Insurance: 247 for the next 6 months
    Gas for car: 94
    Cell Phone: 363
    Groceries: 139
    The liquor store *smacks hand to forehead*: 80
    Going Out to Bars/Restaurants/Entertainment: 168
    Car Maintenance: 87
    Ebay Shipping Fees: 9
    Travel: 43
    Walking Poles for hiking 25
    Misc Stuff 213
    Political contribution 20
    Charitable contribution 33

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    Total: 2606

    Notes: I live with my boyfriend who owns his home, we split everything, I write him a monthly check for house bills (listed above as $600). I pay an extra $10 above what's required on my student loan. My dad paid for a tank of gas in contribution for a road trip into the mountains, I've been using the remaining gas all month. The cell phone bill had June T-Mobile Service, T-Mobile early termination fee + taxes, and July Straight Talk service on it. The Miscellaneous stuff was things like stuff for the house, refilling propane tank for grill, converting a PAL DVD I've stored forever, pair of shorts, printer ink, coffee syrup variety pack (stops me from going to Starbucks), etc.

    I have other stuff I save for, like car registration, pet bills and eventual medical copays, but I encountered none of those costs this month.

    Net Worth: 166569
    3% of Net Worth divided by 12: 416.42
    Total Monthly Expenses: 2606
    I am roughly 15% of the way there.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. bigato

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    Joined: Mar '11
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    Hi, be welcome!

    I suggest you run a simulation in a spreadsheet to show you when you will be able to retire. Then you can play with the numbers and see how much sooner you will retire if you cut this or that monthly spending.

    Also, why not liquidate the loans right now?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. LiquidSapphire

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    Hi Bigato,

    Thanks for the idea. I looked up the Google Docs Akratic posted (Thank you!). Primarily using the "budget" tab, if every month was like last month (increased the cost for health insurance though, right now mine is employer subsidized), it would take me 11.84 years. Of course last month didn't have many irregular expenses. Once I put what I think I can cut down to eventually, the figure reduces to 4.03, and I think the tool doesn't build in any assumptions as far as interest gained during that time frame. Wow, maybe I can "retire" before I turn 33, that would be pretty rad, but it would probably be more like 5 or 6 so as not to live a completely austere existence.

    About the loans, I think about that. I guess I figure it's smarter to put the money into various investments than it is to pay off the loans, since the interest rates are roughly at the rate of inflation. I don't include them in my "future" monthly expenses, since in my mind it is assumed that I would pay them off prior to eliminating my income so as to improve my cash flow situation. Last year I still got an income tax deduction for the student loan but I think this will be the first year I make too much for that so that excuse is gone. If I sell my car, of course the car loan would be gone. On occasion a bill will come on the hill that recommends paying off the student loans for federal employees who have been on board for at least 10 years (I have 6). So I guess it's partially in hope that that bill will just be paid for me :) Although considering the state of our government today, in combination with FI in 4 to 5 years, I guess that is unlikely to happen.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. LiquidSapphire

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    I'm excited for August's numbers but I have made some progres so thought I'd update in the meantime.

    Stuff I've done so far:
    1) Rebalance my portfolio to be more conservative (July 2011)
    2) Cancel my T-Mobile Smartphone contract and change to a Prepaid StraightTalk Contract (July 2011)
    3) Started taking the bus/bike whenever possible (August 2011)
    4) Reduced my student loan payment (See explanation below) (August 2011)
    5) Became more conscious on trying *not* to spend on unnecessary items. (Ongoing)

    Stuff I'm working on:
    1) Need to work out a car share agreement with BF on the off chances I need a car
    2) Need to prepare my car for sale
    3) Thinking about developing possible income streams to speed all this up.

    Reflections:

    So in hindsight rebalancing to be more conservative was some kind of genius move, as I was able to do that near the peak of the market.

    Straight Talk is working out quite nicely. I may switch to TracFone or Page Plus upon retirement, but I think I will stick with Straight Talk as long as I am commuting to work via the bus. I like to use the data package to surf various blogs during that time.

    I'm attempting to transition to car free whereas previously I was almost 100% car dependent. So far it is going pretty well. I started riding the bus to work (free to me due to employer subsidy). I leave for work about 10 minutes earlier than I normally did, and I get home approx one hour later than I normally did. It actually hasn't been that bad at all. I don't really mind the extra time spent on the bus, mainly because I am enjoying what I do there (reading, etc), stuff I would do on my free time anyway. I find the people on the bus (basically commuters) to be pleasant, and better yet, quiet, which introverted me likes very much. Safeway is a 5 minute walk away from home, and Whole Foods is a 10 minute walk away on my work lunch breaks.

    I pulled a bike I got for free years ago (I had never taken it for a spin, ever) out of the shed. Turns out in a former life BF was a bike mechanic. I had this resource and had no idea :) We've gone out every Saturday since. I bought new brakes and tires for it, he put them on for me, and we've been just riding around town or running errands on them. I have made a conscious effort to either bike or walk everywhere, and I am growing more confident that I don't really need the car, so long as I am able to borrow BF's now and again.

    The "restaurants" and "entertainment" categories are significantly reined in and I don't feel deprived. I actually enjoy just being home most days. For me, home is my retreat.

    Someone hit my car kindly badly while it was parked on the street. There is some nice leftover paint and a good license plate indent on the driver's door. (No number, unfortunately!) Need to get an estimate for this and see if it is worth fixing prior to selling the car. I have insurance but a $500 deductible. I also need to work out some kind of deal with BF on car sharing. After that, I will list the car for sale.

    I found out that the law that allows public sector workers to forgive their loans after 10 years actually passed. Unfortunately it passed in Oct 2007, which is when the 10 year clock starts. So if I am still working in October 2017, the remainder of my student loan balance ($8900) would be forgiven. I don't know if this is worth it or not, to stick it out that long. However there are other options to fill out that time, like joining the Peace Corps, or working for a nonprofit that provides services in a limited variety of areas. However, I've decreased my student loan payments to the bare minimum (154.44 vice 172.91). It is a 2.5% fixed interest rate so I can do better putting it pretty much anywhere else, and if I end up working that long, well there is no sense paying any more than necessary. Apparently the total cost in interest over those 6 years is approximately $120.00. I think I can handle that!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. Maus

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    Way to take the bull by the horns with the car, the mobile phone, etc. If you can reduce your expenses, it'll shorten your time to ERE remarkably. I agree with you that it's difficult to match Jacob's path, but inspirational to see that it can be done. I am striving for a mere 50% savings rate, so his success provides some perspective.

    What, may I enquire, do you do for the Feds? $91K is pretty good bacon for a public sector job. How's the health benefits? I've considered applying for a gig as an AUSA, but the federal retirement is nowhere near as good as CalPERS.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. JohnnyH

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    *cell: Wow, that's a lot of cell time. I'd get a headset.
    Pageplus (verizon network prepaid) has a $45 unlimited voice/text. You can easily do this the month of your travel, then switch to the $30 1200m/1200txt plan the next.
    VirginMobile (sprint prepaid) has $55 unlimited voice/text/data.
    *Denver has a great lite-rail. If you can get to one of the stations it works great. When I lived there it was quicker for me to bike to train station than to bus there. I'd consider driving to rail station if it saved a lot of time. Selling car, or at least getting cheap car is key, however... Yikes, car = $533/mo! Do you care how your car "reflects" on you? If not checkout an 1964-1976 6 cly Valiant/Dart. Fantastically cheap in 4 door and surprisingly reliable and economical.
    *I enjoy drinking at bars, but I stick to good happy hours/specials/sharing pitchers. This really cuts the cost.

    Seconding what public sector job makes that much AND has gotten raises in this "deflationary" environment!;)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. LiquidSapphire

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    Hi -
    Thanks for the feedback. I don't want to provide too much detail on my job because with enough information I can be found on the web, my agency posts my contact information. I work in HR which, you wouldn't think so, but is considered a critical hiring need for the feds. The reason being is that they didn't have very much foresight during the Clinton administration and bought out all of the people with institutional knowledge and great experience, and that, followed by a hiring freeze, has created a severe lack of people with skills in my field. I was able to leverage this by changing agencies twice, and moving overseas. I also got caught up in this perfect storm where my former agency was trying out a personnel system which made movement to higher level work much easier (but with no increases in pay). However, Congress, bless their hearts, outlawed the system, so we had to go back to the legacy system. By then, I had already moved up to higher level work twice (in the new system it was considered a lateral move), and so my salary jumped by a huge amount to be compensated (whereas I was not being compensated before). I then traded the free rent/utilities of overseas for the Locality pay of Denver, CO. I determined if I was able to spend less than $1000 on housing, it was worthwhile, and I was able to do so so it was a win win for me. So my experience is not really repeatable, I just got lucky by making the right moves at the right time.

    Benefits in the Federal government are OK. They are not awesome like everyone seems to think they are. One thing that is nice I suppose is that if you live in any kind of metro area, you have your choices amongst at least a dozen health plans, so that is good, but bad because it is tough to know a good one from a bad one, and it takes a lot of analysis to see what would work best for you. Anyway, if you're truly interested, you can check em out here: http://www.opm.gov/insure/ BTW from what I understand, Congress is in the same health insurance plan as all of us, they do not have some kind of special Cadillac plan like some people think they do.

    I'm on the $30 Straight Talk Plan now which is 1000 minutes, 1000 texts and 30mb of data which is easily 5X what I actually need, but when the data becomes less important I definitely intend to check out Page Plus Pay per minute deal, looks like you can pay as little as 4-5 cents per minute if you play your cards right.

    Unfortunately no light rail in my area... I have heard they are expanding it but I will be long gone by the time they get here. My issue with the car is this: Your costs are not just gas, you also have to pay for insurance (even though you're only driving 1-2x per month, maintenance (oil changes, etc), when stuff breaks, you have to deal with that, AND if you have any kind of new car, you end up with depreciation also. My BF offered me his early 90s Mercury Cougar for free that needs work in order to get it running, but the problem is that damn insurance! I am not going to pay $50 a month for something I barely use. So that is sort of why I am looking at ditching the car entirely.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. George the original one

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    > Seconding what public sector job makes that much
    > AND has gotten raises in this "deflationary"
    > environment!;)

    It's not THAT tough to get an $85k-$95k salary if you've got IT experience. I work in IT for a municipal government and this would be a common salary for any senior IT position and management makes more. We didn't get a COLA last year, but did this year and all prior years.

    Feds, though, are the last good bastion of a pension. Oregon public employees pension (defined benefit) was reformed 8 years ago and we only get the pension if we were already enrolled in it. The new system doesn't offer any choices and we no longer get matching money.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. LiquidSapphire

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    An 85K-95K Salary is not uncommon in the Federal Government. Consider the number of people and resources that are managed, for instance, I am currently running a program that has impact on 12,000 employees, and we have employees in five personnel systems. The scope and complexity of the work we do does not compare well with public sector often. If you are a generalist with some specialized knowledge and have been around a while (this applies to many many fields), 80K is not unusual. You do not even have to be a supervisor to get this. It is pretty much unheard of that you would get there at the beginning of your career though, you have to work your way there, either as a fed or in some fields, you could get private sector or military experience that would transfer in well at that level.

    Ahh, the pension. It took me a few weeks to wrap my mind around the fact that ERE would result in me voluntarily giving up my pension. The Feds are a great place to end your career if you are much older than someone like myself. All you have to do is work for 5 years until you turn 62 or for 10 years before your "minimum retirement age" (Mine is 57) and you will be eligible for a pension equivalent to 1% for each year worked, for an amount based on the average of your highest 3 years of salary. You will also get to keep your employer subsidized health insurance (you still have to pay 30% of the premium). So had I stuck it out to 57, I would be getting 35% of close to my end salary for the rest of my life, with diet-COLAs each year. Golden Handcuffs. But I am only 28, and 29 years is a very, very long time. Retiring early would likely not be feasible, I would have to be laid off or such, and still I'd have to put in 25 years to even be eligible for that. However, I expect this system to change, the federal employees are low hanging fruit for the super committee in DC looking at where to trim costs.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. Dragline

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    You look like you are in good shape/making progress.

    About those loans, though -- they are very tricky. Even though the interest rates are low, they are still like a cancer that needs to be removed. And since they have to be paid with after-tax dollars, you really need to gross them up by your tax rate and then decide whether you can really achieve that kind of return "risk free". If not, its better to pay them down quicker.

    The student loan presents the added danger in that it cannot be discharged in bankruptcy. I know, that's the further thing from your mind, but things that seem "impossible" happen much more often than we think -- that's why these giant financial institutions keep failing and why markets crash (and why we just had an earthquake in Virginia).

    My advice would be to increase your payments on them even if you do not decide to pay them off completely -- that way you are hedging your bets about whether your can beat those returns after taxes. And it will enforce a discipline in cutting expenses in other areas.

    The other thing you should think about is matching the maturity of your investments to your future obligations. This is what insurance companies do to make sure they have the money to pay claims when they need it.

    You are actually doing great. At your age I was about $100K in the hole and about to marry someone with debts almost as large. We lived small -- had patio furniture in our living/dining room until we got some hand-me-downs -- and threw every raise and every extra dollar at the debts until the cancer was dead. It was an extremely gratifying/exhilarating bonding experience for the both of us.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. LiquidSapphire

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    Thanks Dragline. You gave me some food for thought. I am anticipating moving in the next couple of years and ideally I would like to purchase a home outright for around $100,000 or less and so I think right now my focus is going to be amassing the cash for that, with a possible 401K loan to make up any difference I can't come up with on my own if it should come to pass sooner rather than later. (We are waiting for our elderly 130lb Bernese Mtn Dog to die before moving.) So I think once that purchase happens, I will probably pay off the loans. In my mind, I could pay off the loans but if doing that is going to force me to go get a $20K Mortgage that wouldn't be ideal. I really really hate the mortgage application process and the amount of hoops they make you jump through and will avoid it if I can. I did more research into the loans and looks like they are only forgiveable if you are on some kind of income contingent repayment plan and are paying less than you would have on a 10-year repayment schedule. Well at 22 I didn't think about it much and for some reason the default pay off period after consolidaton was 20 years, so it looks like I am not eligible for loan forgiveness. So I guess after the house purchase, there are not many downsides after that to just paying them off once I get substantial cash reserves again. I did pay off my car this month so I could get the title in hand so there's that.

    What do you mean about matching the maturity of my investments to future obligations? I was thinking about that the other day, that I am so heavily loaded in my 401K equivalent account. I really need to come up with some serious on hand cash, now. First, $100,000 to buy that house and then another $60,000 or so to have about 5 years of living expenses on hand so I don't have to sell stocks in a down market. I'm thinking some kind of 50%/50% asset allocation, with 50% distributed amongst international, small cap, large cap, REITs, etc and 50% in more conservative investments such as bonds, 5-10 yrs living expenses in laddered CDs, maybe really stable dividend stocks? But I haven't gotten farther in my thinking than that.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. Dragline

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    Maturity matching works like this: Assume you have a chunk of change that you could pay down the loans with or invest somewhere else. You decide not to pay the loans down early, but take that money and invest it with the idea that you will essentially use it to pay down the loans as they come due. You do a projection of how much money you will need to pay your loans in years 1 through X (whatever the last year is). For the near years, you want short-term investments that come due when the payments are due. For longer-term ones you can take more risk. The simplest way to do it is to use laddered debt instruments (CDs, bonds, etc.). Equity instruments are trickier, because you have to estimate the probability they will get socked when you need them.

    Insurance companies are required to do this to minimize risk, but its a good idea anytime you have invested funds that you believe you will need to pay off something in the future.

    But you have another factor -- that house purchase you might make. If its going to happen soon, you would not want to put your house money in anything very risky. One thing you might consider is to pay down the debts and take a small mortgage in exchange (say a 5-year ARM if you can pay it off in that time). The reason to do this is taxes -- your mortgage interest is tax deductible while the current interest on debt is not.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. LiquidSapphire

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    Hmm interesting. I will have to think about what investments would make sense over just paying it off. Like you said, hard to find risk-free rates that do better than 3+% nowadays. I also need to get smart about taxes, and see if doing that would make it reasonable to itemize. Right now I pay a TON of tax (almost 20K annual in fed/state) because I have no tax shelters beyond my TSP. I guess I could start a business... but what? is the $64,000 question. perhaps literally. I don't want to start one just for the sake of starting one, I'd like to do something I'd actually enjoy, and would throw off some profit, with the tax write offs as a side benefit. But I'm having so much trouble determining what would be best.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. Hoplite

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    @LiquidSapphire,
    The business idea could be good if, as you say, you can find one that you actually enjoy. I have found that thinking about the things you enjoy can lead to better choices than say focusing on a laundry list of possible businesses, but often just trying something can give you a better idea, from "not bad" to "never again" :)
    For tax consequences, I think Nolo provides some good advice on what you can deduct without running afoul of the hobby rule:
    http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/operating-losses-prove-hobby-business-30000.html
    And in your case, unfortunately, there are also ethical restrictions on federal employees depending on what it is that you want to do for an outside activity:
    http://www.justice.gov/jmd/ethics/generalf.htm
    No sense getting into trouble over a business. But I sure hear you when you say you can't imagine being a federal lifer! Best of luck to you.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  19. Dragline

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    @LiquidSapphire

    You are correct that as a basic wage earner you are basically screwed as far as tax deductions are concerned. But make sure you itemize to at least get the state tax deduction (assuming you pay them). If you are healthy and they allow you to choose a high-deductible health plan with an HSA, take that one too.

    Oddly enough (or maybe not so odd), the more I've made in the current system, the more I've been able to shelter, but you have to be deemed "self-employed" and be part of a large organization to really do it. I keep expecting the merry-go-round to stop, but it never has. I retire when the wage-earners wise up, but they seem distracted by the promise of more jobs if you give people like me more money or some other religious faith in unproven economic theories. Honestly, its really weird, but I take my opportunities as I find them.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. justjohn

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    @LiquidSapphire

    I'm curious about the Federal pension ... isn't there the concept of "vesting", so that after ten years you would receive a pension at retirement age? Even if it is only 10% (for ten years service), seems like it would be worthwhile to stick around for that. Four more years service for a $9000/yr pension in the distant future?

    Sure, some people would say that the government will fall before then, etc. But you never know.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  21. LiquidSapphire

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    @Hoplite: Thanks for the links. I didn't realize the outside employment restrictions were so strict. For instance, it appears I cannot do anything HR related whatsoever outside the scope of my job, otherwise I could be charged with an ethics violation. Which is really too bad because if I have to look at my skill set clearly that would be my strongest.

    @Dragline: I definitely plan to change to an HDHP+HSA next year. I am using an CDHP right now because premiums+benefits made the most sense, but I wasn't thinking about taxes then.

    @justjohn: There is the concept of vesting; it takes 3 years to vest in your TSP (401K equivalent) and you need to have 5 years of service before you qualify for a pension. So yes, I am now eligible for a pension since I have 6 years of service. However, I wouldn't elect to take it until 62 (the penalties before then are huge) and so let's assume in the end, I end up with 10 years of service and my pay is frozen until then (not that crazy, it's already frozen for 2 years.) That results in a $9100 annual pension... in 2045 (the inflation indexing doesn't start until 2045 either). Maybe enough to go to McDonalds once a month :)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  22. LiquidSapphire

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    =====Expenses=====

    Car Loan: 12360
    Business Expenses: 962 (will be reimbursed)
    Restaurants: 26
    Gifts: 38
    Housing/Utilities: 540
    Student Loan: 173
    Ebay Return Costs: 2
    Ebay Fees 20
    Ebay Shipping Fees: 11
    Groceries: 291
    Stuff: 104 [Bike Brakes (21), Swamp Cooler (49), Dollar Store Stuff (9), Bike Tires (20), Mug (5)]
    Cell Phone: 33
    Pets: 25
    Liquor Store: 10
    Bars: 57
    -----
    Total Expenses (Minus All Loans, Business Expenses, Ebay/Shipping Fees) aka expenses that would carry over to ERE: 1124
    Current Net Worth: $158,955.66
    4% of Net Worth: 6358.27
    Translated Monthly: 529.85
    I am roughly 53% of the way there. See explanation in next post.

    With stocks tanking, it had a negative effect on my net worth so I went backwards this month :( But I still feel really good that I was able to get my expenses more under control. (With the exception of groceries.)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  23. LiquidSapphire

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    =====GOING CARLESS?=====

    I paid off my car loan this month so I could get the title in hand. I would like to sell it and go carless but a huge barrier for me is my parents live about 1.5hrs round trip/80 miles round trip from me (Via public transport, 4 Hours round trip to see each parent, 6 hours on Sundays.) and I like to see each of them at least once per month, so we're looking at 2 trips/mo. I tried to work out a Car Share with BF for the trips, but it's looking like we wouldn't be able to agree on a fee lower than $25-30 (Gas alone roundtrip is $15) and so I'm thinking at these prices it's not really a great solution. Unfortunately we do not have Zipcar, etc around here.

    I was thinking maybe I'll buy a 49cc moped instead just for these trips (no insurance required). 75+mpg, so $4 round trip on gas. They cost usually under $1000, but no clue what to expect as far as maintenance goes. Denver actually doesn't get that many snow days, so I could restrict winter trips to days with good weather. The thing that gives me pause there, is that the main roads to get there sometimes have 65mph speed limits, where the mopeds only go maybe 35 from what I'm gathering. I'm thinking though there are probably some slower 45mph side roads I could take and that would probably be acceptable. Anyway I know no one with a moped so would appreciate some chimes in on the feasibility of this plan.

    =====HOUSING=====

    We have an large elderly dog who really wouldn't do well without a yard. Once she dies BF and I will talk about moving into a different place and renting out this place so we both can reduce our housing costs. She was going downhill fast, but she's doing better now, so who knows, that could happen anytime from tomorrow to two years from now. Anyway, I was thinking of a preliminary plan of buying a place for about $100,000 outright, which, with utilities, maintenance, property tax, insurance, I think should be less than $300/person/mo. There aren't many places like this around, but there are enough that it's not a totally outrageous idea. But at the same time I wonder if that's the best way to go about things, because had I just kept $100,000 at a 4% SWR, it would be generating roughly $333/mo and so that is an opportunity cost that has to be considered. Assuming insurance is roughly $100/mo, property tax 125/mo, utilities 100/mo, maintenance $100/mo, you could rent some place for $750 with utilities included, keep the money in the bank, and come out the same. So I am still pondering the solution to this. Even after she dies we'll still have a 30lb dog and a cat so RV living would be a touch crowded, and it makes finding just rooms with other people much more difficult. Giving the pets up is not an option for us. I suppose another option is renting out rooms to other people, too, but I am pretty bad at reading people so I am not confident that the chance of things going badly is worth it, plus the loss of privacy/security, and I'm fairly certain BF would not be comfortable with it. He values privacy and freedom a great deal. Maybe a used mobile home? Or a cheap condo? But I hate the HOA fees, and I would almost certainly have to go to HOA meetings or even get on the board just to make sure they are operating in a sensible way.

    =====FOOD=====

    The food thing is an issue but more pressing in my mind is that I need to lose weight. Lots of reasons for this, but one good ERE one is that I am certain it would have a good impact on future health insurance rates. So for me, I realize that I am spending more in certain food areas for the convenience and type of foods that will help me get there. This is on my mind, not sure if I'll seriously tackle it this month or not. It would probably include keeping a monthly listing of what we actually buy for food and looking for inefficiencies. I'd also have to get BF on board to keep his receipts. Anyway, so we'll see what happens with this over the next few months.

    =====GOAL SETTING=====

    I am fairly certain that rather than just quitting work cold turkey forever, I will likely go work PT somewhere fairly soon after I reach FI. I have interests in property management, estate sales and bookkeeping (all things that could eventually become a small business with low start up costs) and it would be nice to make mistakes and learn with other people's money rather than risking my own. It just feels like a stupid risk to go for it now. I don't want to be stuck in a job I still hate and yet making half as much as I make now. I want the safety net of FI before I make the leap. So I opted to change to a 4% SWR in my calculations.

    So taking into account the above three items getting a little better, paying off my student loans, and putting together a hypothetical ERE budget, I have calculated that all together I need to save about $400,000 before quit day, to yield a monthly budget of roughly $1000 (plus a paid off house). I guess once I amass that sum I can decide if I hate it so much I just want out, or if it would be worth it to work another year or two for some extra luxuries/peace of mind. Quitting with just $400,000 makes me nervous. It is a minimum of living expenses and doesn't allow for much extra to live a little or handle any contingencies that come up (black swans, new technology like tomorrow's cell phones/internet, or family emergencies). I don't know how much more than $400,000 would make me comfortable though, and if the trade off of staying at this job is worth it. I suppose working PT/opening a business would be a nice buffer for that, and I could try to live off of my taxable accounts for the remainder, and leave the TSP in tact for some future date.

    Anyway, I am about halfway there which is somewhat encouraging, but what is not encouraging is that it will still take 4-5 more years to FI time unless the stock market kicks some ass and I can pocket some gains, or I come up with some other income source or some way to comfortably reduce the ERE budget (I am reviewing every couple of days and pondering). At least that is 4 years of tracking expenses so when that day comes I should be pretty confident of what my spending levels will really be. As of today though, with a net worth of approximately $158,000, assuming an average 4.5% return on my current portfolio, assuming sometime soon I can average expenses under $1000 monthly, I anticipate FI in 2016 sometime.

    =====MONTHLY HYPOTHETICAL ERE BUDGET=====

    Note: This is only what I have now and this changes almost daily.

    Housing/Utilities: 200 (Assumes the following: splitting costs with boyfriend, with me purchasing a $100,000 home)
    Food/Restaurants: 200
    Pets: 20 (includes some build up for vet expenses)
    Transportation: 50 (Bus tickets, Moped depreciation, occasional car share, moped gas)
    Cell Phone: 15 (would likely change to a Page Plus pay per minute plan)
    Miscellaneous/Buffer: 50
    Health Insurance Premiums: 100
    Recreation/Bars: 200 (I intend to take some classes)
    Travel: 0 (I hope to make this up with the PT work I will do later)
    Gifts: 30 (this includes Xmas spending, birthdays, etc)
    Medical CoPays: 25 (represents $7500 in savings which I think would work for an HDHP, $5000 for a catastrophic event and $2500 for just "stuff" that comes up. I have no ongoing medical needs.)
    Stuff to buy for fun: 50
    Household Items: 20
    ------
    Total: 960
    960*300 (4% SWR) = 288000+100000 (house) = $388000

    Posted 1 year ago #
  24. KevinW

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    For the family trips, have you researched taking a Greyhound bus (or similar) or conventional rental cars such as Enterprise (or similar)?

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  25. LiquidSapphire

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    Hi Kevin -
    Thanks for the thought about Greyhound, I hadn't thought about them. I checked it out, but it is $31 per round trip, so I might as well just car share at that rate. I checked out Hertz & Enterprise (the two companies in my area) and they aren't open on Sundays, and are only open Saturday mornings (and their website forces me into a Monday return), and would charge $40/day. :( Thanks for the food for thought, always looking for out of the box ideas!

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  26. LiquidSapphire

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    Car Update:

    So I am still trying to decide if driving a moped in non-snowy but definitely winter Colorado climate is stupid crazy or ERE crazy, if you know what I mean. So far, amongst people I've polled, stupid crazy earns 2 points and ERE crazy earns 1 (two if you count my opinion).

    In my opinion, car insurance is the number one thing to look at when it comes to owning a vehicle you only use very occasionally. It is a fixed cost that you will have even if you NEVER use the vehicle. So here is my research so far.

    50 CC Moped: $50/6 months (25k/50k liability only) (Turns out CO has recently required insurance on these)
    1976 Plymouth Dart: $136/6 mo (100k/300k liability only)
    1993 Buick Regal: $144/6mo (100k/300k)
    1996 Mercury Cougar: $140/6mo (100k/300k)
    Electric-Assist Bicycle: $0

    For comparison purposes:
    2007 Toyota Prius: $242/6mo(100k/300k, $500 Ded Coll & Comp)

    Still don't know the solution here yet, though.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  27. Dragline

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    I'd worry about the safety of the moped on a highway -- they really aren't designed for that. But I don't know what the traffic is like. Any chance you could just borrow the BF's car a couple weekends a month? (Maybe if you leave him a moped? ;-) )

    Posted 1 year ago #
  28. dragoncar

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    Have you looked into insurance-by-the-mile? It looks like it might be available in Colorado (it's kinda new and not everywhere... you have to let big brother track your odometer though).

    Edit: Oh, and the moped seems just normal crazy. ERE crazy would probably frown on it, since ERE seems against taking a gamble that could wipe you out, financially and physically. That said, I can see why someone would want to take that risk.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  29. justjohn

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    LiquidSapphire: I don't think a 50cc scooter is a good vehicle for long trips on a regular basis. A few times a year it would make a great adventure, but for regular transportation I wouldn't plan on more than 5-10 miles.

    I bought a used Honda Elite several years ago ($150). I rode it into work (20 miles one way) a few times, but it just seemed too slow to do it more often. And that was in the summer. I also have a 250cc motorcycle that I used to commute with, in-season. Here in Michigan it starts to get miserable around November, and I would be one of the few motorcycles still going then. Driving 30mph (scooter) or 50mph in 30 degrees gets cold fast. You can buy better winter riding gear with electrical heaters, but I never got into that.

    Two other possible issues would be hills and ice. Unless you hop up the scooter, it will greatly slow down on uphills. I'm about 175 pounds and can hit almost 40mph on flat ground (which is actually more than the legal 30mph, but...) Going up steep hills (for Michigan, probably wouldn't even be called a hill in CO) the speed might drop to 15mph. And hitting ice on a two wheel vehicle is usually a bad idea.

    I've held onto the scooter cause it is fun to ride and cheap to keep ($15 for 3 years registration, no insurance, could even skip the helmet if I felt like it). Maybe someday I will be in a situation that it is more useful to me.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  30. LiquidSapphire

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    The plan for the moped was 80 miles round trip, primarily on side roads with a top speed limit of 45. But you all are smart and if even the ERE forums can't get on board with a regular trip under these conditions, I probably should scrap the idea and go for something else. I guess there is no escaping the car for the foreseeable future.

    Insurance by the mile.... GENIUS....it looks like you can get costs to 5 cents per mile which is equivalent to the cost of the moped insurance. Unfortunately not offered in CO. Looks like TX, CA, AZ, MN, IL, IN, Pennsylvania is it. I'm going to try to check annually though, that would just be awesome.

    I guess since bicycling/moped/public transport,etc is pretty much out of the picture I'm in the market for a car that costs less than $3,000 but has the lowest possible insurance premiums. So far I have yet to break the $135 barrier, but it seems that there are plenty available between $136 and $150 for six months. I contacted my current insurance company for a list of cheapest cars with liability only on a whim, of course, they did not indulge me.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  31. LiquidSapphire

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    In case anyone cares:

    100K/300K Liability only, 50K Property Coverage, quoted for 2500 annual miles, six month premiums, all premiums with my spotless driving record, great credit, and federal employee discounts via GEICO:

    1994 Jeep Wranger 140
    1994 Kia Sephia 139
    1999 Ford Taurus 145
    1991 Honda Accord Coupe 141
    93 Ford Tempo GL 141
    97 Chevy Lumina 144
    97 Geo Metro 140
    97 Plymouth Voyager 136
    96 Oldsmobile Ciera 144
    2009 Smart ForTwo 136 (even this piece of crap costs $136!)
    2005 Ford Five Hundred 146
    1996 Chrysler Town & Country 137

    And the winners were:
    1996 Subaru Legacy Outback 131
    1985 Mazda RX-7 134

    Conclusion: Pretty much any ol' car will run you between 130-150 per six months. On cars at this age, better to save your cash by getting a great deal on your purchase price.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  32. dragoncar

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    Sorry, I saw an article about insurance by the mile on a page called Colorado springs car insurance. After a closer look, it's just one of those stupid content aggregation portal things. I blame that guy on there who does that as a side business- it hard to keep names straight but you know who you are (there might be more than one of you)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  33. ksoto

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    =====GOING CARLESS?=====

    I went without a car for almost three years. Got a car again about a year and a half ago. When I didn't have a car I did almost everything locally by bike (commute, groceries, etc).

    When I needed a car I was able to rent a car from Enterprise on weekends from Friday-Monday (sometimes through Tuesdays) for roughly $10.95 - $18.00 a day with their weekend specials. I would rent once every 4-6 weeks to visit out of town family or take a road trip and then use it to stock up on bulky stuff that was impossible to carry by bike. Some weekends the total rental was under $40.00. I had a renter's liability policy from the agent I used when I owned a car (about $100.00 for 6 months I think) and my credit card covered damage. So I did not pay any other fees.

    BTW, this sort of rate is not available at airport locations. I rented at a location they had at a local car dealership. They even picked me up and dropped me off at work.

    Just want to say . . . I have no affiliation with Enterprise. But their weekend specials worked for me.

    Also, it is really an odd feeling to drive a car after periods of 1-2 months without driving. Very stressful.

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  34. LiquidSapphire

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    Thanks ksoto. I was going to attempt carlessness and suffer through the 4 hour round trip bus ride just to see how it went but I didn't realize about these weekend rental deals. How did you book? (Priceline? Enterprise web site?) What city are you in? I'm about 45 min away from downtown Denver so just for comparison purposes. It seems some cities are different than others. If you got away with $40 for the weekend it would be a different story, like you said you could make big trips and I GUESS I could put up with seeing both 'rents on the same weekend if it saves me that kinda cash...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  35. LiquidSapphire

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    Found a buyer for my car last night! They put down a $500 deposit and we're going to do the ownership transfer on Friday. Woohoo!

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  36. LiquidSapphire

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    ===NUMBERS===

    Housing/Utilities 500
    Groceries 226
    Recreation 38
    Transportation 37
    Cell Phone 33
    Restaurants 48
    Stuff 157
    Medical 205
    Cat 21
    Student Loan 1154
    Government Debt 126

    Total Expenses: 2545 (1265 on non-debt)
    % Saved: 52.99%
    Net Worth: $149,397
    4% SWR, Monthly: $498

    ===REFLECTIONS===

    Groceries

    Looking much better. Not sure why this varies so much. I know that out of laziness some non-groceries stuff got lumped in here, such as washer fluid, cat food, etc. I suspect that on actual "food" we spent less than $200 each. That is my goal next month.

    Transportation

    As posted previously I was able to sell my car at a favorable price this week. BF and I were able to hit upon a car share agreement that we both can live with so I'm gonna try that for a while. ($20 to go see the fam, 0.21/mile for shorter trips). Now that the car is gone the transportation costs should be permanently lowered. I’m thinking something like $35-$40/mo on average.

    Stuff

    I did splurge a bit on "stuff", but had been planning about $120 of those for a while, with wait times ranging between 2-6 months. I probably could/should have avoided $15 of that in hindsight.

    Medical

    Not a good month for medical bills. Turns out earlier this year my doctor sent some labs to an out of network lab without my knowledge, draining my HRA. So now I am stuck without reimbursement for $71 of prior dental bills, a $109 medical bill, and an upcoming $90-105 medical bill, that should have been covered but now are not due to hitting the HRA limit. I'm appealing but I'm not optimistic. I did include the cost of my premiums this month ($78), not sure if I did that previously.

    Debt

    The government decided they overpaid me by $2200 a year ago and are forcing me to pay it all back. I am paying it back in installments over 3 years at 1% interest for now. Yay. More Debt.

    General

    Even though I feel like I am taking all of the steps to get things under control and hitting this goal hard, I am feeling a little put out since my Net Worth goes backwards each time I update this journal. I am basically where I was in May 2011 as far as Net Worth goes. I can only blame this on the fact that the value of my Prius was dropping like a rock (It has lost $3K since it's peak after the Tsunami) and stocks are gradually falling even though I'm putting in $1000 with every pay check into my retirement accounts. A stock market recovery would certainly help my spirits. It's nice to see in other journals that I'm not alone in my melancholy on this.

    ====GOAL SETTING===

    Stuff I've done so far:
    1) Rebalanced my portfolio to be more conservative (July 2011)
    2) Canceled my T-Mobile Smartphone contract, paid fee, changed to a Prepaid StraightTalk plan (July 2011)
    3) Reduced discretionary expenses utilizing mindfulness (August 2011-present)
    4) Taking the bus to work most days (August 2011-present)
    5) Worked out car share agreement with BF (September 2011)
    6) Sold car (September 2011)

    Stuff I'm working on:
    1) Save $10,000 Cash in Q4 2012 (not counting car sale). I'll either use it toward Housing or Debt (not sure yet.) I need to resist the urge to put it into my brokerage account.
    2) Price Book... it's kind of a pain but I need to rededicate to it. (Groceries)
    3) Try to keep all grocery receipts and understand this expense more. This will also help with the price book. My goal is to consistently get this under $200/month. (Groceries)
    4) We are opting for as many solutions as possible to avoid turning the heat on yet (it is hitting 40-50s in the mornings), and will use it as sparingly as possible in winter. We are cutting Netflix slightly (Compromise. I wanted to go lower.) (Utilities)
    5) Purchase used Page Plus phone with web capability and transfer cell phone plan to Page Plus Pay as you Go. Should save $10-15 a month most months. Sell old phone. (Cell phone)
    6) If I count my 401K match (5%) and manage to spend $1249 or less each month, I will be hitting an 80% Savings Rate. This is a major stretch while I'm paying debt, but this is my expenses goal going forward. If I can maintain this, I should hit the Crossover Point in 42 months (March 2015). I hope between some investment returns (I mentally chose a rate of 4.5% annually) and hopefully some future lowering of expenses, I can get there before October 2014. I'm starting the countdown.

    Stuff for Future:
    Housing: On CL market rates for renting a room + utilities is pretty much $450-500/month. I pay my BF an average of $600 now for all of that. It's becoming a painful bill to pay, seeing as it is close to 50% of my budget, but I love him and don't want to move out just to save a little bit of cash. I hope that in the future if we marry, I will be able to buy a home for $100,000 cash and we can live in it together just paying maintenance, taxes, insurance, or I may put $50,000-100,000 into his home in exchange for an interest in the property/title and only pay for maintenance, taxes, insurance for our current home. Either way there will be a property purchase and a some kind of sharing situation, either with BF or someone else. So in ERE I am budgeting $200/mo. for housing and utilities (Taxes = 1/2 of $550, Utilities = 1/2 of $1200, Insurance = 1/2 of $1000, Maintenance = 1/2 of $2000)
    Utilities: I am going to try a shampoo+conditioner when my stuff runs out months from now which would allow me to take shorter showers. I have so much though it'll be months before this happens.
    Medical: During Open Season in November I will change to an HDHP Plan with HSA.
    Recreation: This cost will probably go up a little in the future just to help me for morale purposes. I'd like to begin engaging in a hobby or two.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  37. George the original one

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    > 4) We are opting for as many solutions as
    > possible to avoid turning the heat on yet
    > (it is hitting 40-50s in the mornings), and
    > will use it as sparingly as possible in winter.

    Is that an indoor or outdoor temperature?

    Here in the Portland area, we're getting those temps as nightly lows outdoors, but indoors we haven't gone below 64 F. 62 F is our threshold for the furnace indoors, mostly due to owning orchids that won't bloom if it's colder.

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  38. LiquidSapphire

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    It's an outdoor temp. Indoors it has gotten as low as 61. Not sure what our thermostat will be set on when we turn it on... probably about 60. We have thick comforters, the dogs have full coats of fur and the cat has a little cave covered with an emergency blanket + other blankets so I'm hoping we can make it at last 2-3 more weeks!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  39. m741

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    You can also consider using electric blankets, space heaters, moving computer to your bedroom (my computer heats the room by ~5-10 degrees). Wear sweatclothes to bed, etc.

    Then again, I'm still sleeping in boxers with two sheets, and the windows open at 60 degrees.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  40. LiquidSapphire

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    I've brought up space heater a few times... boyfriend gives me weird looks. Also one of our animals in particular is somewhat of a steam roller and would likely knock it over constantly.

    I haven't considered the computer angle but I guess we are set up well for that; Our main system is in our main living area where we spend most of our time so we can keep the temp down lower than we ordinarily would during the evenings. We do have another system that we use on occasion in a spare room... I could see if boyfriend would want to move it into the bedroom... doubtful... but I could ask?? :) 10 degrees is huge!

    We are still keeping most windows open at night, but I suspect that will change next month.

    The one big main sticking point for me is that dreadful 5am walk between the bed and the shower. How to make this as painless as possible. hmmmm. big fluffy robe with slippers at bedside?

    Posted 1 year ago #

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